Comments Thread For: Roach: Mayweather Got Embarrassed into Taking the Fight

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

Do u hold Pac to the same standard when he asked for drug testing from Rios and Bradley? Or how about him demanding the "unprecedented" 10 mil per lb overweight penalty? How is it that nothing that comes from Pac is a "roadblock" or "unreasonable demand"?

We know there was more to it when it came to Floyd. If Manny did the exact same things, yeah, I'd say he's no better than Floyd but if that's really it, then it's pointless. Besides, we're talking specifically about Mayweather vs. Pacquiao here. It's a different situation.

What did Floyd do? He actually made an effort to make the fight, unlike Pac. What do u mean "every time it came down to actually making the fight"? Name one time other then 2009 and 2012 that the camps came together to try to make the fight. I don't mean posturing through the media, I mean actually negotiating. "All these demands" didn't start with Floyd. They BOTH had demands in the original negotiations. As soon as Floyd saw that he was clearly the bigger draw, he started acting like it. Just like ODH, SRL and any other A side has in the past....INCLUDING PAC! The only difference is, you want to act like it didn't happen and won't hold him accountable for it.

You said they both had demands but that's not what I'm asking. Who started the demands first?

And really, if Floyd was really pushing for the fight, then why is he using this "A-side" argument when they were two of the biggest draws anyway? That should never have came up if he wanted the fight that bad.

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We know there was more to it when it came to Floyd. If Manny did the exact same things, yeah, I'd say he's no better than Floyd but if that's really it, then it's pointless. Besides, we're talking specifically about Mayweather vs. Pacquiao here. It's a different situation.

No we don't know that. Floyd felt that Pac might be on PED's, while Pac thought that Floyd might come in overweight. Of course you want to blow it off and act like it's different because I'm showing you that Pac does exactly the same thing.

You said they both had demands but that's not what I'm asking. Who started the demands first?

Who started the demands first? They both did during negotiations. Pac had lots of demands himself. Orignally they both wanted more then 50-50 but finally agreed to it. I think Pac was allowed choice of ring size as well. I don't know who had the unusual demand first, but whoever had it first still doesn't indicate that they didn't want the fight. Neither demand was a big deal if both were clean and both planned on coming in on weight. Roach said himself that anyone who doesn't want to take the test probably isn't clean.

And really, if Floyd was really pushing for the fight, then why is he using this "A-side" argument when they were two of the biggest draws anyway? That should never have came up if he wanted the fight that bad.

Who wouldn't he use the A-side argument if they ARE they A side? That would be silly! So with your logic, I guess Pac never wanted the fight with Hatton, because he demanded more money and threatened to walk away even after they had agreed to 50-50 and the were VERY similar draws at that time.

[Pac=Duran]

We know there was more to it when it came to Floyd. If Manny did the exact same things, yeah, I'd say he's no better than Floyd but if that's really it, then it's pointless. Besides, we're talking specifically about Mayweather vs. Pacquiao here. It's a different situation.



You said they both had demands but that's not what I'm asking. Who started the demands first?

And really, if Floyd was really pushing for the fight, then why is he using this "A-side" argument when they were two of the biggest draws anyway? That should never have came up if he wanted the fight that bad.

The obvious answer to the poster you were replying to is that Pac has never had to be forced into fights with anyone. "Fight Ledwaba Pac 2 weeks notice" -"OK boss no sweat"

Fight Barrera Pac- no sweat
Fight Cotto Pac- no sweat
Fight Oscar Pac- no sweat
Fight Marquez again and again Pac- no sweat
Fight Margarito- no sweat
Fight Floyd- no sweat ALL FROM A GUY WHO STARTED AT FLYWEIGHT hahaha

Floyd ducked and dived the majority of opposition who he should have fought. Margo, Williams, Winky Wright, Kosta etc etc. And after all this he has to be dragged kicking and screaming to fight an ex- light flyweight haha

Manny has balls, Floyd has a vag. The whole world can see his clit flopping in the wind, enlarged from Memo's designer steroids and from Ellerbe's succulent nibbling.

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The obvious answer to the poster you were replying to is that Pac has never had to be forced into fights with anyone. "Fight Ledwaba Pac 2 weeks notice" -"OK boss no sweat"

Fight Barrera Pac- no sweat
Fight Cotto Pac- no sweat
Fight Oscar Pac- no sweat
Fight Marquez again and again Pac- no sweat
Fight Margarito- no sweat
Fight Floyd- no sweat ALL FROM A GUY WHO STARTED AT FLYWEIGHT hahaha

Floyd ducked and dived the majority of opposition who he should have fought. Margo, Williams, Winky Wright, Kosta etc etc. And after all this he has to be dragged kicking and screaming to fight an ex- light flyweight haha

Manny has balls, Floyd has a vag. The whole world can see his clit flopping in the wind, enlarged from Memo's designer steroids and from Ellerbe's succulent nibbling.

Oh really? If that's the standard, then Pac has been ducking as well.

Pac vs Valero
Pac vs Raheem
Pac vs Campbell
Pac vs Gamboa
Pac vs Williams
Pav vs Mosley(the RELEVANT ONE that beat Margarito)

[Muscles72]

I remembered reading when Khan and Cotto were both mentioned Floyd always said my main focus is fighting Manny Pacquiao. But as far as southpaws go the only one I seen give Floyd any real problems and that was Zab Judah. (For the first 4 rds.)I think he actually put Floyd on the canvas but was ruled a slip looked like a punch to me. I'm sure pressure played a role too cause I don't really think he wanted to face pacquiao but didn't really want to hear negativity from the fans.

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

No we don't know that. Floyd felt that Pac might be on PED's, while Pac thought that Floyd might come in overweight. Of course you want to blow it off and act like it's different because I'm showing you that Pac does exactly the same thing .

No, you really aren't. You're kind of avoiding the point. I didn't ask what they "felt" or "thought". I'm asking what did they DO?

Who started the demands first? They both did during negotiations. Pac had lots of demands himself. Orignally they both wanted more then 50-50 but finally agreed to it. I think Pac was allowed choice of ring size as well. I don't know who had the unusual demand first, but whoever had it first still doesn't indicate that they didn't want the fight. Neither demand was a big deal if both were clean and both planned on coming in on weight. Roach said himself that anyone who doesn't want to take the test probably isn't clean.

None of that answered the questioned. You also don't seem too sure on what you're saying.

Who wouldn't he use the A-side argument if they ARE they A side? That would be silly! So with your logic, I guess Pac never wanted the fight with Hatton, because he demanded more money and threatened to walk away even after they had agreed to 50-50 and the were VERY similar draws at that time.

Once again, a different fight, and a different situation. Money wasn't the only thing holding back Pacquiao's fight with Mayweather, unlike his fight with Hatton.

[Beercules]

Did Pacquiao sign to TMT yet?

[tiliheels]

Floyd feels like Manny has slowed down enough to beat him. I remember after the Bradley rematch he was saying he fought like an amateur and was slow and sluggish compared to his fight with Cotto.

FLOYD ALSO SAID manny is scared b/c he is not drained like cotto and oscar...bradley was not drained and manny didnt look good after bradley a B level fighter imo was used to the big stage...u're trying to discredit floyd, but roach adn mannydidnt take the fight in their prime and roach says it is their fault..

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No, you really aren't. You're kind of avoiding the point. I didn't ask what they "felt" or "thought". I'm asking what did they DO?

If Manny did the exact same things, yeah, I'd say he's no better than Floyd but if that's really it, then it's pointless.

Maybe if you made it clear I'd be able to answer. What are u referring to that Floyd did?

None of that answered the questioned. You also don't seem too sure on what you're saying.

You asked who started the demands first...I said they both did in negotiations! That's not clear enough.

Once again, a different fight, and a different situation. Money wasn't the only thing holding back Pacquiao's fight with Mayweather, unlike his fight with Hatton.

What does that have to do with anything? You didn't say anything about a certain fight, you said;

And really, if Floyd was really pushing for the fight, then why is he using this "A-side" argument when they were two of the biggest draws anyway? That should never have came up if he wanted the fight that bad.

So now I am using that logic against you. Whether you like it or not, the A side is the A side. It has been that way since boxing began and boxers used that fact as leverage it to dictate terms. Only when Floyd uses that fact to his advantage is it a terrible thing used to try to duck a fight. What does the fact that money was the only thing holding up the Hatton fight change anything? Wasn't Pac trying to show he was the A-side. The same thing you said that should never come up if he wanted the fight that bad? Oh that's right, that statement ONLY applies when it comes to FMJ vs. Pac. LOL!

[megadeth]

Did Pacquiao sign to TMT yet?

Nope....did Pac's cut heal yet?