Who trained harder: Mayweather or Hagler?

[NChristo]

As for the topic it's impossible too say who trained harder because of how they both push themselves, neither have ever slacked and have been in impeccable shape they whole careers for every single fight, 2 boxers who have been gym **** their whole lives, picking one over the other is splitting hairs.

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

You really think Hagler not moving up was a bad thing for his career ?, moving up to fight Michael Spinks or Dwight Qawi (Who also called him out and told him too move up) would of been career ****ing suicide, Hagler was a natural Middleweight through and through if he moved up he would of been too small, no one is accusing Mayweather of ducking boxers at higher weights then what he is in at the time, you're twisting it. Floyd being a ducker is a safe haven yet you're accusing Marvin ****in Hagler of ducking people who were that much bigger then he was when he was already ripped as **** at Middle, silly argument.

Are you goin too say that Monzon ducked Bob Foster because he was fighting at Middleweight ?, did Duran duck Monzon while he was fighting at Lightweight ?, **** no, your argument is just wrong.

it was great for his career, yes he would have been the smaller man if he moved up but alot of people who moved up were smaller right?. In haglers biggest fights the opponents came up to him and he was the bigger man true or false? how do u rank his win over duran? he stuck to his weight class and its nothing wrong with that but let floyd had stayed at 135 or went to 140 and stayed, we would never hear the end of it... mayweather is accused of everything under the sun around these parts... and then people act like the greats they praise never did some of the same things he is accused of.

[NChristo]

it was great for his career, yes he would have been the smaller man if he moved up but alot of people who moved up were smaller right?. In haglers biggest fights the opponents came up to him and he was the bigger man true or false? how do u rank his win over duran? he stuck to his weight class and its nothing wrong with that but let floyd had stayed at 135 or went to 140 and stayed, we would never hear the end of it... mayweather is accused of everything under the sun around these parts... and then people act like the greats they praise never did some of the same things he is accused of.

Fair enough, sorry bout the language aha, but Hagler not fighting Spinks or Qawi is no way a duck, like at all. His win over Duran is half decent because Duran just came off the great win against Davey Moore and went on to have some great fights after and his performance in the Hagler fight exceeded most peoples expectations.

For Hagler's biggest fights being against smaller people are you just looking at his fights with Duran and Leonard and ignoring his reign against plenty of natural Middleweights ?.

I disagree though, if Mayweather stayed at 140 and cleared it out, I don't think most people would have a problem with it providing he fought Pacquaio at some point during his stay there, the problem a lot of people seem to have is that he moved up through these weights and the fights that people wanted too happen didn't while he was there and had the opportunity, that's why people see them as a duck, not because he didn't move up weight to fight them but because he had the opportunity to take a risk and didn't.

[_original_]

As others have stated, it's impossible to know but fun to speculate. I wasn't around during Hagler's reign but from watching endless videos (fights, training footage, ect.) on him and reading quite about his training methods, the guy was a monster in training. He was the boxing equivalent of a secluded monk while in camp. Also, judging by their fighting styles, it would appear that Hagler was the more conditioned athlete. Furthermore, Hagler had his share of 15 round bouts. Both are legendary gym **** and great examples for young boxers to admire, but I'd have to give the edge to the Marvelous one here.

[GOD-FR33]

Not comparable..........

im not trying to have anything on him but he could have went up, if this was floyd you wouldnt give or have any excuses for him he would be a ducker for not moving up... ive seen your many post calling out floyd... but ive had this argument many times... pacs body was perfect for a particular weight and he went up, floyd went up, SRL went up Duran went up... everyone else needs to go out of their comfort zone and thats what made them great but Hagler never did that. but on the flip side ur right he didnt have to so lets end it there.... its just an argument to have amongst boxing fans thanks for no name calling... the thread was about who trains harder and u went on that rant i was really playing devils advocate!

Bottom Line is, they aren't comparable. Hagler was a fighter's fighter and Floyd is a prize fighter. Hagler didn't care who was across the ring from him. Floyd does. Hagler was a perfect physical specimen who was rare in boxing history. He didn't "have" to move up. The middleweight division was competitive enough. Hagler fought in an era where being a champion and holding a belt, mattered. The problem with these so called fans today, is they think fighters like Floyd and Roy Jones are gods. They are not. Do you honestly think Floyd could go 15 HARD rounds with Duran, like SRL did? Because I KNOW he couldn't and would get KO'ed. Hagler could go 15 HARD rounds. His stamina was insane. Manny has better conditioning than Floyd as well. Enjoy the fight May 2nd.

[babynuts]

Bottom Line is, they aren't comparable. Hagler was a fighter's fighter and Floyd is a prize fighter. Hagler didn't care who was across the ring from him. Floyd does. Hagler was a perfect physical specimen who was rare in boxing history. He didn't "have" to move up. The middleweight division was competitive enough. Hagler fought in an era where being a champion and holding a belt, mattered. The problem with these so called fans today, is they think fighters like Floyd and Roy Jones are gods. They are not. Do you honestly think Floyd could go 15 HARD rounds with Duran, like SRL did? Because I KNOW he couldn't and would get KO'ed. Hagler could go 15 HARD rounds. His stamina was insane. Manny has better conditioning than Floyd as well. Enjoy the fight May 2nd.

Well, it's easy to look back at the past with rose tinted specs but they were not super human, they were just very good athletes, same as now. I'm sure Mayweather could go 15 hard rounds if he needed to and don't forget Ray Leonard was only early 30's when he fought Hagler, in his 20's when he fought Duran, Mayweather is almost 40 and still very well conditioned, SRL was done by his late 30's and only had 40 fights in his career. Hagler was retired at around 34. It's no coincidence, athletes these days are just better conditioned if they take their craft seriously. That's why the likes of Floyd is going strong at 38, Hopkins still winning titles in his late 40's and looking in shape. Manny 36 and still looking good etc.. Yet the likes of Ali, Frazier, Hagler, SRL were all basically finished at that age. It's not because they had harder fights, it's just because now we have more knowledge of nutrition and all that stuff...

Could a young Mayweather who beat Corrales go 15 hard rounds? of course..

I'm not saying i totally disagree with you but don't romanticise the past either.

[GOD-FR33]

Well, it's easy to look back at the past with rose tinted specs but they were not super human, they were just very good athletes, same as now. I'm sure Mayweather could go 15 hard rounds if he needed to and don't forget Ray Leonard was only early 30's when he fought Hagler, in his 20's when he fought Duran, Mayweather is almost 40 and still very well conditioned, SRL was done by his late 30's and only had 40 fights in his career. Hagler was retired at around 34. Could a young Mayweather who beat Corrales go 15 hard rounds? of course..

I'm not saying i totally disagree with you but don't romanticise the past either.

"Romanticize"? Not at all. You so called fans today are so used to all the media these fighters get, the behavior they display, and you think that it couldn't get any better than that. If SRL was fighting today, he would be more popular than Floyd. So would Whitaker. Why? It's simple. They fought the best boxing had to offer. Hagler was Superman like. Floyd is not on Hagler's level. The only reason you think so is because he fights today. Floyd doesn't have the resume or balls to back your claim so let's end it here.

[sims]

i'm not convinced floyd is quite the beast in the gym he's made us believe he is over the years. he's always in there, granted, but it's all doing the same familiar routines and movements and dictating the pace himself. and drinking mountain dew. i mean we all saw him chopping wood like a woman the other day. his jumproping skills are impressive, though, if not a little monotonous much like his entire regimen.

[mastertech1985]

What??? How can you compare Floyd's training to Hagler's training??? It's not possible, here's why. Marvin Hagler is an ATG who fought the best. He would fight anywhere, anytime, any place, even outside of the country. Floyd is a mere HOF'mer who is insecure and doesn't fight the very best. We don't know how great Floyd's stamina is. We know it's good at best. He's never had to fight 12 HARD rounds against opposition that could defeat him. He gets away with this low output per round in this era. He wouldn't get away with it in another era where EVERY opponent only knew HARD WORK. They would throw until the end. I question whether he can fight 12 hard rounds against A Level fighters, fight in and fight out. He wanted to retire after Hatton. He wanted to retire after Cotto. Maidana's pace bothered the hell out of him. Maidana won like 5 out of the first 6 rounds, in the first fight because of his pace alone. Floyd's condition would not survive the 80's or 90's. He is conditioned to go all night fighting at the slow pace he fights, throwing 40 punches a round. This is a major weakness.

Both have a great work ethic...but lets not sit here and act like Hagler fought in the best era of middleweights....Like most modern great middleweight champions, Like Monzon and Hopkins, his biggest wins came over guys moving up or former welterweight champions

Both are great but Mayweather is more accomplished and will be remembered as the greater fighter

Hagler...62-3-2(52 kos)...one lineal title, 12 title defenses, defeated former world titleholders/hall of famers(6)John Mugabi, Roberto Duran, Fulgencio Obelmejias, Tommy Hearns, Alan Minter, Vito Antuofermo


Mayweather....47-0(26 kos)....4 lineal titles, 5 weight title holder, 21-0 9 kos in lineal title fights, 25-0 over all in title fights....18 overall title defenses


defeated former worldtitleholders/hall of famers(20) Genaro Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Goyo Vargas, Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Robert Guerrero, Sharmba Mitchell, Ricky Hatton, Canelo Alvarez, Demarcus Corley, Victor Ortiz, Shane Mosley, Juan Manuel Marquez, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, Jose Luis Castillo(2x
), Marcos Maidana(2x)




Mayweather has defeated more champions, won more titles/lineal titles, more hall of famers,, and has more title defenses in less fights...Mayweather ranks higher than Hagler who is more beloved but definitely not as accomplished

[mastertech1985]

i'm not convinced floyd is quite the beast in the gym he's made us believe he is over the years. he's always in there, granted, but it's all doing the same familiar routines and movements and dictating the pace himself. and drinking mountain dew. i mean we all saw him chopping wood like a woman the other day. his jumproping skills are impressive, though, if not a little monotonous much like his entire regimen.

he must be doing something right....going undefeated as a pro for 19 years and fighting so many world class guys....must not be that monotionous