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  • kafkod
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    #61
    Originally posted by KnickTillDeaTh
    Understandable, but its not the "true" championship unless its won from the lineal champion. Also GGG wants stardom he aint getting that from anyone but Cotto, Canelo, or a small boost from Chavez Jr. So as I said before stop wishing Cotto vacates, wish for Cotto to smash his next opponent and then wish that he fights GGG after or early next year.
    You don't need to beat the lineal champ to become lineal champ yourself. It isn't always possible for that to happen, like when Ray Leornard retired after winning the lineal MW title from Hagler. Ring Magazine awarded the title to Sumbu Kalambay and it carried on from there.

    GGG doesn't need Cotto, either to become lineal champ or for stardom.

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      #62
      Originally posted by PeasantCrusha
      But doe, Cotto fighting Bradley is the equivelant of GGG fighting Cotto.


      The size difference is the same or moreso.
      Really? Bradley is holding a lineal title in Cotto's natural weight class? If Cotto the coward doesn't want to defend his title, he should give it up. Why does he have so many people making excuses for him? DAMN! If I were he, I would be ashamed to show my face in public.

      Originally posted by KnickTillDeaTh
      GGG has called out Mayweather and Cotto before Cotto even won the belt, saying he could make 154. And from what I recall it was Bob Arum and Top Rank that were offering Bradley and Rios, and Cotto decided to Jump ship and is rumored to possibly be fighting the WBC #1 ranked Middleweight International champion. So that does say alot,So far Cotto has not coaxed up a smaller fighter in his entire career, it remains to be seen what happens in June.
      Really? Can you show me one instance of GGG calling out Mayweather or Cotto before he won the MW title? You do know what 'calling out' someone is, don't you? It is when a fighter, on his own accord - not as an answer to a question including another fighter's name, states that he wants to fight a particular fighter, not named by a reporter or interviewer first, or challenges another fighter by name.

      I have NEVER seen any evidence of GGG EVER calling out a fighter from a different weight class. Not once. Now I have read many posts from people claiming that he has indeed called smaller fighters out, but not once has any person making such a claim ever been able to provide proof of such a thing ever happening.

      Every time someone has made such a claim, it turns out that all that happened was that Golovkin was simply answering a question that was asked of him. I am pretty sure that such questions are typically asked by some low class 'reporter' looking for a cheap headline by distorting the facts. As do some posters.

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        #63
        Originally posted by vorgaphe
        Golovkin wants to be able to claim the true championship of 160 before doing that. Cotto just needs to step aside - simple as that.
        Yes. Wants cottos belt. However I truely believe it's more than that. I believe he wants to fight and win against a huge boxing figure like Cotto. He really wants to proven he. Is one of the best and be seen as such. He craves the recognition of a Cotto win not just the belt. I bet if Cotto was belt less he would rather fight Cotto than someone else with thee belt. I'm siren he would be disapointed if Cotto vacates.

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          #64
          Originally posted by jorgepichardojr
          Yes. Wants cottos belt. However I truely believe it's more than that. I believe he wants to fight and win against a huge boxing figure like Cotto. He really wants to proven he. Is one of the best and be seen as such. He craves the recognition of a Cotto win not just the belt. I bet if Cotto was belt less he would rather fight Cotto than someone else with thee belt. I'm siren he would be disapointed if Cotto vacates.
          GGG has never been a bully. He has never shown signs of being a bully. Beating Cotto if he did not have the title would be the actions of a bully. It would do absolutely nothing for GGG's reputation and would most likely damage it instead of improving it. Not one boxing writer would give Cotto even the smallest chance of beating GGG and most expect that Cotto would be utterly destroyed. That is not how you proceed if you want to improve your reputation and legacy.

          No, if Cotto did not have the title GGG would have no reason at all to fight him.

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            #65
            Originally posted by kafkod
            You don't need to beat the lineal champ to become lineal champ yourself. It isn't always possible for that to happen, like when Ray Leornard retired after winning the lineal MW title from Hagler. Ring Magazine awarded the title to Sumbu Kalambay and it carried on from there.

            GGG doesn't need Cotto, either to become lineal champ or for stardom.
            Ring Magazine is for the fighter that is currently the WBC belt holder. The WBC Middleweight title cannot be considered the lineal title unless its won from the champ. If GGG is handed the title by Cotto vacating it is not the lineal title, GGG would begin a new lineage. Understand that the ring magazine title and the WBC title are two completely separate titles.

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              #66
              cotto is a small jr middleweight. GGG needs to take his ass up to 168. he's already struggling to make 160 and eventually its going to catch up with him.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Barcham
                Really? Bradley is holding a lineal title in Cotto's natural weight class? If Cotto the coward doesn't want to defend his title, he should give it up. Why does he have so many people making excuses for him? DAMN! If I were he, I would be ashamed to show my face in public.



                Really? Can you show me one instance of GGG calling out Mayweather or Cotto before he won the MW title? You do know what 'calling out' someone is, don't you? It is when a fighter, on his own accord - not as an answer to a question including another fighter's name, states that he wants to fight a particular fighter, not named by a reporter or interviewer first, or challenges another fighter by name.

                I have NEVER seen any evidence of GGG EVER calling out a fighter from a different weight class. Not once. Now I have read many posts from people claiming that he has indeed called smaller fighters out, but not once has any person making such a claim ever been able to provide proof of such a thing ever happening.

                Every time someone has made such a claim, it turns out that all that happened was that Golovkin was simply answering a question that was asked of him. I am pretty sure that such questions are typically asked by some low class 'reporter' looking for a cheap headline by distorting the facts. As do some posters.
                http://play.tojsiab.com/Wi1OU0hQVWxmYWsz, GGG calling out Canelo who is a smaller fighter.

                http://www.boxingscene.com/team-golo...-eye-us--83834, GGG's trainer saying they want to fight Mayweather.

                https://www.the-newshub.com/combat/g...weather-winner, GGG saying he would drop down to fight Pac or Mayweather.

                http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/3/20...acquiao-winner, heres a interview of GGG saying he would go to 154.

                Now you can put all the rules you want to defend GGG, but if a reporter asks you would you fight this person and you say you would go down a weight division to fight a specific fighter, and coupled with every one who represents you calling for a Mayweather fight, then yes that fighter is calling out the other. Now read my post again and noticed how I said 'GGG has called out Mayweather and Cotto before Cotto even won the belt, saying he could make 154'

                There was so many articles on this that I didnt go further then the Daniel Geal fight. So have it.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Barcham
                  GGG has never been a bully. He has never shown signs of being a bully. Beating Cotto if he did not have the title would be the actions of a bully. It would do absolutely nothing for GGG's reputation and would most likely damage it instead of improving it. Not one boxing writer would give Cotto even the smallest chance of beating GGG and most expect that Cotto would be utterly destroyed. That is not how you proceed if you want to improve your reputation and legacy.

                  No, if Cotto did not have the title GGG would have no reason at all to fight him.
                  All what u said may very we'll be true. But my post was from the perspective of gggs mind. It would be an honor and a big paycheck to fight Cotto. I he believes those to be true in his mind. It matters not what the rest of the world thinks.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by KnickTillDeaTh
                    Ring Magazine is for the fighter that is currently the WBC belt holder. The WBC Middleweight title cannot be considered the lineal title unless its won from the champ. If GGG is handed the title by Cotto vacating it is not the lineal title, GGG would begin a new lineage. Understand that the ring magazine title and the WBC title are two completely separate titles.
                    Of course I understand that, but they are linked at the moment because Cotto holds both.

                    What I am saying is that if Cotto vacates the WBC title and goes back down to SWW, or is stripped by the WBC for refusing to fulfil his mandatory, the Ring Magazine will no longer recognise him as lineal MW champ.

                    As GGG is No1 contender with Ring Magazine as well as the WBC, they will either award him the lineal title by default or wait for the result of his next fight and the winner of that will become lineal champ.
                    Last edited by kafkod; 03-23-2015, 12:41 AM.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by KnickTillDeaTh
                      http://play.tojsiab.com/Wi1OU0hQVWxmYWsz, GGG calling out Canelo who is a smaller fighter.

                      http://www.boxingscene.com/team-golo...-eye-us--83834, GGG's trainer saying they want to fight Mayweather.

                      https://www.the-newshub.com/combat/g...weather-winner, GGG saying he would drop down to fight Pac or Mayweather.

                      http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/3/20...acquiao-winner, heres a interview of GGG saying he would go to 154.

                      Now you can put all the rules you want to defend GGG, but if a reporter asks you would you fight this person and you say you would go down a weight division to fight a specific fighter, and coupled with every one who represents you calling for a Mayweather fight, then yes that fighter is calling out the other. Now read my post again and noticed how I said 'GGG has called out Mayweather and Cotto before Cotto even won the belt, saying he could make 154'

                      There was so many articles on this that I didnt go further then the Daniel Geal fight. So have it.
                      You are clutching at straws like a drowning man with this rubbish.

                      Reporter: "Would you be interested in Mayweather or Paquiao at 154lbs?"

                      GGG: "Yes, of course."

                      "He calling out Floyd! He calling out Manny!"

                      Pssh.
                      Last edited by kafkod; 03-23-2015, 12:41 AM.

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