Comments Thread For: Ellerbe, Koncz Trade Verbal Shots Over $5 Million Fine

[MrRolltide91]

Ummm..... not really ?

I'm not sure what you mean there, but I dont think the fact that Mayweather is promoting the fight has anything to do with this at all.

According to reports, Mayweather stands to make 120mil+, and Pacquiao stands to make 80mil+..... so, if either fighter tests positive, the other guy will lose a small fortune.

Edit: Apologies, I mean, the other guy will lose a fkn HUGE fortune.

If Mayweather tests positive, Pac will sue him for tens of millions, probably 50mil+..... and Mayweather will do the same if Pac tests positive.

From what I understand, Ellerbe is suggesting that the way the contract was worded, the $5mil penalty was actually limiting more realistic litigation.

$5mil is nothing, when you are talking about a $200mil fight.

yea 5 mill is chump change to these 2 boxers.

[solo20]

Lawyers cost money, court cases can be years. If Floyd tests positive, he can claim contamination, and not his fault. Pacquiao team have to prove so many things.

Fine in the contract, no ifs or buts makes it clear. If Floyd thought 5 million was too small then comeback and say $50 million.

That what I would say if I knew I was clean

like I said the court will decide who gets what USADA credibility will be in question who ever comes up dirty will have a hard time disproving they didn't cheat.

[Rath]

Did you guys even read what Leonard said? It makes perfect sense. They'll want waaaaay more than 5 mil. And if floyd failed manny would get more than 5 mil too. Unless they use their words against them

Koncz said "Team Mayweather rejected Pac's request for a 5 mill dollar US penalty if either boxer comes up positive for a banned substance in USADA drug test.

What it meant:

this is an additional penalty request (besides those penalty under the WADA Code) in Floyd vs Pac contract.
it applies to both of them. But was rejected by Floyd's Team

where in the article does it says Koncz don't want the 4 yrs ban and replacing them with 5 mill dollar US penalty in stead?

Ellerbe said "USADA operates under WADA code and either fighter testing positive for PEDS would ban them from doing for 4 yrs."

What it meant:

Wada conde has a penalty in it's rule if one comes positive for banned substance and that is 4 yrs ban from boxing.

It is Wada Code and not on Floyd vs Pac contract agreement.

Questions:

Can WADA impose the 4 yrs ban on a professional boxer if Floyd or Pac use the loophole that says it is not in our contract?

Can the commission still allowed any of them to fight even if WADA banned them not to?

Is WADA code by default already included in the contract between Floyd vs Pac?

Ellerbe said " We have no plan in limiting the damages if Manny tested positive"

What it meant:

Ellerbe evaded what Koncz accused them off and that is they rejected the 5 million dollar penalty.

Note he said if Pac tested positive not if both of them tested positive.

since he said they have no plan in limiting the penalty to just 5 million, did they requested a bigger amount of penalty in the contract or not?

Ellerbe said "they must be worried if they are bringing this up.

what it meant:

planting the seed of su****ion, the people who demanded a penalty of 5 million dollar applicable to both fighters is being suspected by no other than the one who rejected it in the first place and did not make any attempt to counter the request with bigger amount.

Ellerbe said "Essentially what they are trying to do is put a 5 million price tag if Pac tested positive. It is awfully su****ious to me"

What it meant:

again planting su****ion by saying that the 5 million price tag is considered small for being caught with banned substance yet again did not offer any bigger amount of penalty than the 5 million Pac camp requested.

Present your case now Hanz

[GRUSTLER]

Floyd is cheating like a mofo, Ellerbe all but admitted it.

So you think Floyd is afraid to pay 5Mil when prior he accepted a 10Mil weight penalty clause? The 5Mil don't stop the test from happening maaaaan, so accepting it doesn't mean squat either way especially if the contract has a 4 year ban in it if someone gets caught. You guys are dumb.

[creekrat77]

Are you ****ers kidding me!?! How in the h*ll are you backing Ellerbe's bogus illogical claim over the fine being hurtful to only Pacquiao alone!?

TMT arguing logic number 1: When making a rebuttal to the other side of the argument, in no way, shape, or form leave any sense of doubt or blame on the side of Floyd Mayweather. Floyd's **** doesn't stink.....words to live by.

Everyone and their Grandma could have told you that when Pac's camp proposed the 5 million dollar penalty there was no way Floyd was going to accept it. From there you can believe what you want. Basically only two logical explanations is that Floyd doesn't want to take a chance of his test coming back positive, or he is so stubborn that he won't except anything that is not by his own doing. I'd say it is a little of both, but Ellerbe's smoke screen style argument to disassociate Floyd completely from this situation is very very telling you ****** m*ther****ers

[Fetta]

Koncz is an idiot and didnt read contract!

Thats all thats needs to be said.

[arraamis]

I'm a tad confused here.
Was the 5 million dollar fine for failed drug test in addition to the 4 year ban USADA and WADA codes operate under?

Or was the 5 million dollar fine suppose to substitute the USADA/WADA code?

Green "K" homie ... Its refreshing to see a clear thinker once in a while.

That seems to be the question ....

You cannot be allowed to substitute liability as you see fit. If either fighter's test comes back tainted then they will be banned from the sport for four years. That is much greater than a five million penalty.

Based on what is stated, Ellerbe is right & exact .... "NO SUBSTITUTE OF LIABILITY"

[aboutfkntime]

January 04, 2012

MAYWEATHER NOW THE AGGRESSOR IN LAWSUIT VS. PACQUIAO
By Scott Shaffer

Last summer, the public perception was that Manny Pacquiao wanted to face a reluctant Floyd Mayweather in a boxing ring, but Mayweather was avoiding the showdown. Pacquiao's defamation lawsuit against Mayweather mirrored that perception, as Pacquiao's attorneys tried to chase Mayweather down in order to take his deposition but Mayweather avoided the deposition while hosting large parties and burning $100 bills in night clubs. However, after Pacquiao barely defeated Juan Manuel Marquez in November, both the lawsuit and the potential fight against Mayweather have entered a new phase, one in which Mayweather appears to be the hunter and Pacquiao the hunted. The previous chapter of the lawsuit ended with the court ordering Mayweather to appear at a deposition, and it may yet require Mayweather to fork over low six figures to Pacquiao in attorneys' fees as punishment for being so elusive in the deposition process. Like the public perception that Pacquiao is now the one avoiding the boxing match, the latest filings in the lawsuit make it appear that Pacquiao is now the one resisting the exchange of information.

On Wednesday, Mayweather asked the court to force Pacquiao to provide medical records and the name and contact information of every doctor who has treated Pacquiao so that Mayweather can review the records fopr any signs that Pacquaio took steroids or other illegal performance enhancers (There is no current evidence that Pacquiao ever tested positive for any banned substance). The medical evidence that Mayweather seeks is the central issue in the lawsuit, because if Pacquiao ever took illegal performance enhancers, Mayweather would win the lawsuit because one cannot be guilty of defamation if they are speaking the truth.

The lawsuit arose after negotiations for a match-up between Pacquiao and Mayweather disintegrated over the issue of drug testing and Mayweather went public with statements that Pacquiao took illegal "power pills," a clear reference to steroids and/or human growth hormones.

In court filings made today, Mayweather's attorneys wrote: "To date, Pacquiao’s responses [in providin ghis medical records]... have been grossly deficient. Pacquiao’s counsel have only disclosed the names of two of Pacquiao’s doctors, a plastic surgeon in the United States and a gastroenterologist in the Philippines. In addition, Pacquiao’s counsel have refused [Mayweather's] requests to execute a release and produce the vast majority of the medical and physical examination records solicited in [Mayweather's record] requests." Mayweather's attorneys also admit Pacquiao provided "a limited number of drug testing results" but say that information is insufficient.

Mayweather's attorneys continued, "Pacquiao asserts that no evidence exists to suggest his use of performance-enhancing drugs over the course of his fifteen-year career. In making this assertion, Pacquiao himself separates drug test results from other evidence related to the use of PEDs. [Pacquiao's attorney's have said] 'given Pacquiao’s spotless records with drug tests over the course of his 15-year career and the absence of any other evidence suggesting his use of performance-enhancing drugs, defendants issued these statements with actual knowledge that such statements were false and in reckless disregard for their falsity')."

Thus, Mayweather's attorneys see kto use Pacquiao's own arguments against him by arguing that "Pacquiao has placed any evidence that may suggest his use of PEDs, including his medical and physical examination records over the last fifteen years, directly at issue in this action."

Specifically, Mayweather's attorney want to review Pacquiao's medical records to look for "signs and symptoms of PEDs use [that] are well-documented and far reaching. Such signs and symptoms include, but are not limited to: (i) deterioration of the athlete’s cholesterol profile (i.e. an increase in “bad” cholesterol, or LDL, and a decrease in “good” cholesterol, or HDL); (ii) increased irritability and mood swings, as well as depression; (iii)
changes to the condition of the athlete’s arteries; (iv) increased risk of forming blood clots or thromboses; (v) development of hypertension or high blood pressure; (vi) increased liver failure or toxicity, including the development of jaundice, blood-filled sacs within the liver, or certain types of liver cancers; (vii) acne and other skin conditions; (viii) an enlarged heart; (ix) increase in red blood cell count; (x) diabetes; (xi) premature balding or male-pattern baldness; (xii) elevated or increased testosterone levels; (xiii) decreased estrogen levels; (ivx) osteonecrosis in the hips or shoulders; (xv) decreased sugar tolerance and thyroid functioning; (xvi) impotence, priapsm (prolonged erection), prostate hypertrophy (enlarged prostate), reduction in ***** function, or decrease in testicle size; (xvii) weight gain, including changes to the athlete’s muscle-to-fat ratio or body mass composition; (xviii) worsening of kidney function; (xix) increase risk or prevalence of tendon and muscle injury; (xx) gynecomastia (or increased growth of breast tissue); and (xxi) vocal cord hypertrophy."

According to Mayweather's attorneys, the court should force Pacquiao to provide any evidence that Pacquiao experienced these symptoms because, "Pacquiao has not provided a single medical or physical examination record to provide any insight whatsoever into the recognized signs and symptoms of PEDs use... Instead, Pacquiao has merely provided [Mayweather] with a small sampling of drug test results, which is, at best, woefully incomplete in response to the Requests at issue herein—especially given common sense and Pacquiao’s own distinction between drug tests and other evidence of PEDs use."

Pacquiao's attorneys will now have a chance to argue that Mayweather is not entitled to the medical information being sought.




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Really lol

I never saw this back in 2012 for some reason.

Interesting.

As I told you on the other thread.....

you were the only poster in red-k, and you were also the only poster who knew what he was talking about

internet rep ftw

Thanks man ^^

[Rath]

Pac fanatics comprehension skills are low team pac wanted a 5 mil fine to substitute the wada rules of 4 year banned and even bigger damages in monetary compensation

no reading comprehension you say!

[Rath]

Green "K" homie ... Its refreshing to see a clear thinker once in a while.

That seems to be the question ....

You cannot be allowed to substitute liability as you see fit. If either fighter's test comes back tainted then they will be banned from the sport for four years. That is much greater than a five million penalty.

Based on what is stated, Ellerbe is right & exact .... "NO SUBSTITUTE OF LIABILITY"

i deserved a green k too read my post