If GGG retired today, how would he be remembered 20 years from now?

[Barcham]

Andre Ward, a Christian family man, a proud countryman, and olympic "Gold" medalist. Wards inactivity (legal issues) frustrates people and his refusal to become the "the bad guy" imo holds him back from stardom but as a person, he seems like someone you'd let watch your kids and support. He also has a better resume than GGG.

Andre Ward? The guy who sued his promoter because he was an ungrateful greedy little fck and lost three times? And the last thing I want for an ambassador of any sport is some religious nut bar who calls himself the son of god. I'd rather go to a nuthouse and grab someone who thinks he is Thor, son of Zeus!

He would make a lousy ambassador because for one thing, an ambassador has to travel the world, not lock himself up in Oakland.

By the way... the only thing holding him back from stardom is the fact that he has fought only twice in over three years and has no fight in sight. Some boxing ambassador he'd make.

[-Kev-]

so too you Stevenson is the real champion and not kovalev?

The best fighter at 175 is Kovalev, with the eye test, but let's not forget Stevenson won The Ring title fair and square from Chad Dawson. Dawson beat Hopkins, who beat Pascal, who beat Dawson for the vacant Ring title. I know fans including myself, have a different opinion of who the best fighter at 175 is, but the truth is nothing shady happened there when AS won the title. He simply beat the best to get the title of being the best.

IMO it's a lot different at MW. Because something shady did happen there, when Murray seemingly beat Martinez for The Ring/WBC title but got robbed. Unofficially, GGG just beat the guy that should have been The Ring champ with fair officiating. GGG is unofficially the best guy there, only unofficially because of corrupt judging in Martinez vs Murray. Stevenson on the other hand is officially the champion of the division and he did it fair and square with no robberies. Unfortunately Kovalev will have to beat Stevenson to become the best guy there officially. I say unfortunately because it appears to be a tough fight to make, but I got a feeling it happens this year.

[Pigeons]

The best fighter at 175 is Kovalev, with the eye test, but let's not forget Stevenson won The Ring title fair and square from Chad Dawson. Dawson beat Hopkins, who beat Pascal, who beat Dawson for the vacant Ring title. I know fans including myself, have a different opinion of who the best fighter at 175 is, but the truth is nothing shady happened there when AS won the title. He simply beat the best to get the title of being the best.

IMO it's a lot different at MW. Because something shady did happen there, when Murray seemingly beat Martinez for The Ring/WBC title but got robbed. Unofficially, GGG just beat the guy that should have been The Ring champ with fair officiating. GGG is unofficially the best guy there, only unofficially because of corrupt judging in Martinez vs Murray. Stevenson on the other hand is officially the champion of the division and he did it fair and square with no robberies. Unfortunately Kovalev will have to beat Stevenson to become the best guy there officially. I say unfortunately because it appears to be a tough fight to make, but I got a feeling it happens this year.

Kev you gotta give Kovalev his due. Stevenson is lineal, no one can take that from him except in the ring, but Kovalev is the best LHW in the world. A win over Dawson doesn't hold much weight compared to victories over Hopkins and Pascal, especially when Dawson was euthanized by Ward one fight prior. I know you have a lot of respect for Dawson, but Ward ended his prime.

The only guy Kovalev has had trouble with is Darnell Boone. He won the rematch by KO. Stevenson was KO'd by Boone before avenging it with a KO. Stevenson also struggled with Fonfara.

Kovalev is clearly #1 at LHW IMO.

[-Kev-]

Kev you gotta give Kovalev his due. Stevenson is lineal, no one can take that from him except in the ring, but Kovalev is the best LHW in the world. A win over Dawson doesn't hold much weight compared to victories over Hopkins and Pascal, especially when Dawson was euthanized by Ward one fight prior. I know you have a lot of respect for Dawson, but Ward ended his prime.

The only guy Kovalev has had trouble with is Darnell Boone. He won the rematch by KO. Stevenson was KO'd by Boone before avenging it with a KO. Stevenson also struggled with Fonfara.

Kovalev is clearly #1 at LHW IMO.

I said I think Kovalev is the best at 175.

I am also saying that Stevenson did win his Ring title fairly. Dawson fell off badly, but he had won The Ring title from Hopkins, who won it from Pascal. I don't like Stevenson, i'm not a fan of his, but he should get a fair shake. Let's see him defend his Ring title vs Kovalev. He's talking about fighting Kovalev this year so hopefully that happens. There was no wrongdoing in Stevenson winning The Ring title, he was actually underdog and predicted as a loser of the Dawson fight by TKO by most fans. I used GGG and MW as an example, where GGG is the absolute best MW and Cotto just has a paper Ring title. AS does not have a paper title, he won it fair and square from an actual champ and not a guy who kept it via robbery (Martinez).