The Gennady Golovkin Myth

[jas]

According to Abel Sanchez, golovkin chose willie Monroe jr from the shortlist of 3 fighters the promoter gave

[jas]

Bernard Hopkins would be the A side.

[soul_survivor]

yes he should fight lara..a guy thats not a draw, thats not a name, brings in no fans, is a 154 pound fighter, and even if golovkin beats lara will get 0 credit for the win because he was just a 154 pound fighter. sounds like a great option for ggg, youre absolutely right

Willie Munroe is a draw?

Shut that **** down bro, I said the same thing weeks back when the Munroe fight was made, it's ridiculous. They had Munroe as an advance opponent, before the Murray fight had even happened, when you book an advance opponent, book a date and set up purses and sign contracts, it leaves yourself closed off to other fight offers or negotiations.

If GGGs team really want a big fight, as they keep ****ing on about, why waste another month in fighting Munroe? They should have waited for Canelo to get his fight out the way (a guy who has said he'd be willing to fight GGG i the past) or wait to see where Cotto's money takes him next. At least give yourself time to negotiate but by booking fights in advance, those too against no bodies, you're putting yourself in a position to lose out on fight dates.

Why is that happening? Now that's the million pound question.

Like the OP, I'm a GGG fan but I'm not a nuthugger, I've successfully predicted him beating everyone put in front of him and given him credit for the Mack/Murr/Geale wins but beyond that, he has one of the weakest resumes I've seen in any titlist, in any division, who has so many defences.

There's something amiss here...HBO is green lighting no bodies like Stevens and Munroe but they don't want to make fights with known commodities? I don't buy that for a second. Which leads to one of two explanations:

A) They are building towards a GGG v Ward PPV on HBO, but with Ward's lack of wanting to box, it's thrown a spanner in the works.

B) GGG has shown weakness in camps and sparring, such as resilience and/or chin and HBO want to milk him as much as possible before they feed him to a legitimate fighter, whoever that may be (I'm thinking Ward/Froch).

P.S.
I will say that Cotto is scared stiff of the GGG image and wants none of that, then again that's not saying much as he conned the MW crown from a hobbling champ.

[Daud]

People are being to critical of Golovkin. Give him time to secure some super fights. Aside from Roy Jones, Hopkins did not have a big fight until after he was champion for several years. The same is true of GGG.

[DoktorSleepless]

.He won't fight Lara because a) the Cuban is a JMW, b) Lara isn't a draw like the names you've mentioned in your previous post and c) he fights on Showtime.

yes he should fight lara..a guy thats not a draw, thats not a name, brings in no fans, is a 154 pound fighter, and even if golovkin beats lara will get 0 credit for the win because he was just a 154 pound fighter. sounds like a great option for ggg, youre absolutely right

Lara is more well known than anyone Golovkin has ever fought. He's good enough for Canelo, but not Golovkin?

A MW HBO approves. You know, the guys that pay the bills and don't work with Lara's "advisor" Haymon

They made an exception for Edwin Rodriguez. They can make another one.

[HeroBando]

Willie Munroe is a draw?

Shut that **** down bro, I said the same thing weeks back when the Munroe fight was made, it's ridiculous. They had Munroe as an advance opponent, before the Murray fight had even happened, when you book an advance opponent, book a date and set up purses and sign contracts, it leaves yourself closed off to other fight offers or negotiations.

If GGGs team really want a big fight, as they keep ****ing on about, why waste another month in fighting Munroe? They should have waited for Canelo to get his fight out the way (a guy who has said he'd be willing to fight GGG i the past) or wait to see where Cotto's money takes him next. At least give yourself time to negotiate but by booking fights in advance, those too against no bodies, you're putting yourself in a position to lose out on fight dates.

Why is that happening? Now that's the million pound question.

Like the OP, I'm a GGG fan but I'm not a nuthugger, I've successfully predicted him beating everyone put in front of him and given him credit for the Mack/Murr/Geale wins but beyond that, he has one of the weakest resumes I've seen in any titlist, in any division, who has so many defences.

There's something amiss here...HBO is green lighting no bodies like Stevens and Munroe but they don't want to make fights with known commodities? I don't buy that for a second. Which leads to one of two explanations:

A) They are building towards a GGG v Ward PPV on HBO, but with Ward's lack of wanting to box, it's thrown a spanner in the works.

B) GGG has shown weakness in camps and sparring, such as resilience and/or chin and HBO want to milk him as much as possible before they feed him to a legitimate fighter, whoever that may be (I'm thinking Ward/Froch).

P.S.
I will say that Cotto is scared stiff of the GGG image and wants none of that, then again that's not saying much as he conned the MW crown from a hobbling champ.

Why would he wait for Canelo, who fights a week earlier? He'll be ready for Canelo's next date anyway. They were willing to wait on Cotto, but no interest. Froch, ditto.

Which known commodity has HBO passed on? They're not making peace with Haymon over Lara who's a 154er, bad TV, a big letdown in his big opportunity, and a no hoper vs GGG.

[HeroBando]

They made an exception for Edwin Rodriguez. They can make another one.

Edwin Rodriguez was with DiBella, who they work with. Who's Lara's promoter now?

Edwin was also 1.5 yrs ago, when the relationship was less strained, what with Stevenson and Haymon's serious power moves. You think it's an accident there hasn't been a Haymon fighter on HBO for 1.5 years?

[soul_survivor]

Why would he wait for Canelo, who fights a week earlier? He'll be ready for Canelo's next date anyway. They were willing to wait on Cotto, but no interest. Froch, ditto.

Which known commodity has HBO passed on? They're not making peace with Haymon over Lara who's a 154er, bad TV, a big letdown in his big opportunity, and a no hoper vs GGG.

Your BSing like a typical nuthugger.

GGG shouldnt be having pre-booked fights multiple times a year, activity is good but it should be quality activity. My point is this: They should at the very least have waited for other fighters schedules to clear up. BIg fights, the caliber of the ones GGG supposedly wants, don't happen over night, they take months of negotiations and re-negotiations, booking yourself up for another couple months doesn't help the situation.

Mark my words, one of the two situations I suggested will unfld in the next 12-18 months.

People are being to critical of Golovkin. Give him time to secure some super fights. Aside from Roy Jones, Hopkins did not have a big fight until after he was champion for several years. The same is true of GGG.

That's not a good comparison, Hopkins wasn't heavily promoted, he was always playing second or 3rd fiddle...in fact probably 5th fiddle to guys like DLH, Tito, Jones, Vargas etc. So Hopkins went about clearing the division, an admittedly mediocre division but like Wlad he did the business and then he was eventually matured to be fed to Tito, the star of HBO at the time.

GGG is being engineered as the star, not the second fiddle.

[DoktorSleepless]

Edwin Rodriguez was with DiBella, who they work with. Who's Lara's promoter now?

Edwin was also 1.5 yrs ago, when the relationship was less strained, what with Stevenson and Haymon's serious power moves. You think it's an accident there hasn't been a Haymon fighter on HBO for 1.5 years?

HBO caved pretty quickly after the Haymon ban when one of their main attractions (Ward) was out of viable options. You think they'll say no to Quillen for Golovkin and Stevenson for Kovalev?

The fact that they made an exception for Dibella means they'll make exceptions for the benefit of people they work with. And they'll make an exception for K2 to fight a Haymon fighter if he pushes it.

[HeroBando]

Your BSing like a typical nuthugger.

GGG shouldnt be having pre-booked fights multiple times a year, activity is good but it should be quality activity. My point is this: They should at the very least have waited for other fighters schedules to clear up. BIg fights, the caliber of the ones GGG supposedly wants, don't happen over night, they take months of negotiations and re-negotiations, booking yourself up for another couple months doesn't help the situation.

Mark my words, one of the two situations I suggested will unfld in the next 12-18 months.

What's prebooked? They just booked a guy for a fight 2 months away, from a pool of crappy options cause nothing better's available. Who passes on an HBO date cause they can't find a name opponent? GGG or HBO won't be the obstacle to making these name fights, you must have noticed that. That includes "feeding him" to Froch, the guy that said "We'll swerve him if we can, punches like a mule, dangerous fight".