Comments Thread For: Roach: Pacquiao Can't Follow Floyd and Walk Into Shots

[Brickyardigan]

The thing is Roach...... No one is perfect in the ring because like you said.... Floyd makes mistakes, not a lot but he does and Manny makes mistakes too, so your theory that Manny has to be perfect to beat Mayweather is flawed. When Manny loses I am willing to bet Roach said "Tonight Manny wasn't perfect". He had an off night, totally taking credit away from Mayweather. The perfect excuse was/is growing like a plant.

Dude... I think you are on to something. It's something that Pacquao fans will use to say Floyd is scared of a rematch because the "perfect" Pacquaio will be more perfectly trained and prepared next time.

[aboutfkntime]

Roach like Pacquiao's fans doesn't seem too confident about this fight. He keeps saying how good Mayweather is and how Pacquiao has to be perfect.

It sounds to me like Roach finally got around to actually thinking about how the fight will play out.

The things that Roach has been saying for the last 1-2 weeks, are things that he should have been saying since 2010..... instead of.....

" Manny will KO Mayweather early "

" Mayweather will run the whole fight "

etc etc

Maybe its just me, but it seems that reality is dawning on Freddie.

[richardt]

Marquez and Floyd don't really fight like each other at all though. They both like to counter, but put one of each of their fights on split-screen right now and you will see next to no similarity in their styles. Their movement, their rhythm, theiir defence, the shots they throw, all very different.

Marquez also sticks and throws combinations in the pocket, almost always throwing bodyshots into the mix which is how he tended to set stuff up against Pacquiao. Floyd rarely does that, even against opponents who's power he doesn't really respect.

That's not to say Manny's discomfort in leading isn't relevant, just that the Marquez fights aren't all that good a guide for how this fight is likely to pan out.

Exactly! I always say, every fight brings am entirely different set of dynamics that doesn't allow similarities to really take place. It's like how everyone said if Rigo was hurt against Merroquin, then Donaire's left will surely KO Rigo. I remember telling people, you cant go by that because every fight brings a different set of dynamics, a different chemistry, a different fight altogether, and a different outcome.

Its also like when a fighter is knocked out by a relatively light puncher, then that fighter who was knocked out goes against a harder hitting guy and people start referring to the fact that he was knocked out by a lighter puncher so he will definitely be knocked out by the harder puncher and sure enough, that theory fails like when Tommy Morrison was stopped by Mercer and Michael Bentt who were not considered as having Foreman's power, so everyone said there is no way he takes Goerge Foremans punches and sure enough, he took some solid ones and did not get stopped, and won the fight. A fighter gets beaten by a club fighter or low level contender and is written off as not being able to hang with the elite and countless times, the opposite happens, they not only hang, they defeat the elite fighter.

Rolando Navarette was beating by guys named Kim and Ferrari and Cabanelo so there is no way he can compete with Cornelius Boza Edwards and what does he do, he blasts out Edwards. And there are countless cases of fighters who have problems with counter-punchers but go on to beat even better counter-punchers. Happily the sweet science is no predictable science outside of ultimate mismatches. Beyond that, it is the theater of the unexpected.

But, a lot of the new boxing fans don't know this and end up disillusioned when their theory fails over things like these where they use an analogy, a simile, and it doesn't work. And probably the best proof is when the comparison works in one fight and then in the rematch, it fails because the other guy wins using the same or different strategy.

[aboutfkntime]

Floyd is not only going to destroy Manny, he's going to look good doing it. Think Floyd/Gatti. It's gonna b a flawless victory (KO).

Come on, Pac is a great fighter (still), and Gatti was not.

That was an A-fighter, in his prime, fighting a guy 2 levels below him.

This will be two A-fighters, who have both declined a little, no excuses.

[Left Hook Tua]

he will though.

[hitking]

Roach is all over the place. Honestly, I don't think Floyd is gonna do a lotta moving. Most of the talk on this site has been about this diminished version of Floyd facing this speedy southpaw that throws punches in bunches for three minutes a round. And an awkward guy that throws a lotta punches from weird angles. But the reality is, Manny doesn't fight for three minutes a round any more. And his style really isn't all that awkward any more. Floyd can beat Manny moving and countering. But he can make it a much easier fight by getting on his front foot, coming forward, and making Manny fight going backwards. Which he isn't very good at.

[richardt]

Floyd can beat Manny moving and countering. But he can make it a much easier fight by getting on his front foot, coming forward, and making Manny fight going backwards. Which he isn't very good at.

Pac doesn't have a habit of going back in straight lines like Canelo does at times. Or forward in straight lines often for that matter. Pac circles and uses angles so Mayweather wont be able to walk him down whatsoever. The way for Floyd to win is to look for body language signs that Pac gives out when he darts in to throw a combination like that double-step he takes, and time that combination of Pac's with something like a pull counter and check hooks. This will not be an easy fight for Floyd at all. Both guys will be successful at times and often. They will both be at their best.

It will be close and controversial and both sides and fanbases will argue their guy won and that will go on for months until a rematch and based on what takes place in the first fight, may determine who might have the edge in a rematch. And if it is a very close fight either way, I'd go with Floyd in the rematch because typically, purer boxers improve for rematches which is what I said before the second Maidana fight and this goes back to Sal Sanchez and Danny Little Red Lopez as my earliest memory where a purer boxer improves for a rematch.

[DeadLikeMe]

He is going to do just that repeatedly though.

[Don Mac]

What concerns me about Manny nowadays is when he's busy he flails rather than looks tight and in control. If he can circle Floyd and use that 'in out' attack method plus keep it tight/guard up, he'll have some success for sure.

some people are predicting a late stoppage for Floyd with good reason. The key to Pacs gameplan is energy conservation.

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

So Roach is admitting that manny needs to outthink floyd in order to win, which we know ain't gonna happen lol

...How did you come up with that? All Roach said is that he doesn't want Pacquiao to make the same mistake he made against Marquez again. Every boxer would want to avoid making mistakes that would cause them the match. Besides, it's not like the same thing has happened in Pacquiao last three fights.