Comments Thread For: Fortune Disgusted With Pacquiao Sparring Partner Bribes

[Prophet2525]

Have you EVER negotiated a contract before? I have and when you are negotiating a contract, before you sign the contract everyone has to be in agreement. I will make it simpler for you...... if the networks hadn't come to an agreement then how could the exclusively signed Mayweather and HBO committed Pacquiao start solidifying a contract? Floyd told Koncz and Manny to stop lying about signing a contract because it wasn't one and even Arum back tracked on that. Damn you guys never give up. I am preparing myself for May 2nd to read all the other excuses.

Come on man! Enough with the pretending! You have never negotiated a contract! It's so obvious that you have not just by what you said "before you sign the contract everyone has to be in agreement. You have the cart before the horse. Here's the sequence of events in negotiations. The parties come together, they negotiate and then come to an agreement on one or many points (gloves, ring size, money split, etc). If there is agreement on all points, a contract is written and presented for signature by both parties. A contract will never ever be written unless there has been agreement on both sides. Why would you waste time and ink on writing a contract that is not based on common principles? Do you understand that Grustler? You have never negotiated a contract and if by any slim chance you might have, I bet my house that you came out on the raw end of the deal. If you did negotiate a contract, can you share the details? I might just learn something from you.

[NotaPachugger]

Sad but true.....but it's all good, PAC will still expose and destroy the self-proclaimed and wanna-be TBE lol

Too funny you speak of Pac like is Godzilla and JMM gave everything he could handle in controversial losses and then put him to sleep in only fight sans the judges. So how do you figure Pac is going to beat a better counter puncher than JMM that is also faster, bigger and possesses bettet defense? Just because you are a big fan of Pac ..... Disneyland crap I tell you

[GRUSTLER]

It's happened before. You Floyd fans want evidence, we present you with evidence then you come up with excuses after that or move the goalposts.

You all wanted evidence that:
- Floyd wanted ALL PPV revenue in 2012. Once Floyd confirmed, you all said its not a roadblock. Its a great deal.
- Floyd invited Ariza. You wanted more evidence. A picture? You wanted more evidence. A video. More evidence required. Ariza tweet. More evidence evidence ..... a contract. Still wanted more evidence.
- Maidana gloves issue. You wanted evidence that they were approved. News came out that FLoyd didn't want Maidana to fight even with Approved gloves. FLoyd fans then come back with excuses to protect Floyd.

Well, Manny does bring it up here.

https://instagram.com/p/zV5BNLudxn/

What you are not understanding is that how can Floyd sign a contract when the network situation was not worked out? Is this not com*****g in your brain stem? There is no way that Manny or Floyd could sign away on a fight that involves exclusive deals with networks or commitments to them. This is what you are not understanding and I don't get it. There was no contract before both of them met at the Heat game. It was just Manny and Arum saying what they agreed to and for Floyd to sign the contract. Koncz already made it very clear that they made it up courtesy of Arum's orders. What don't you guys understand? You cannot sign off on a business ventures when there are more parties involved. I'll make it simpler..... If Manny and Floyd signed the contract and the networks never worked out a deal then how would the fight happen?

"San Francisco, CA- While chatting with Larry Merchant on the Sunday edition of “Ring Talk Worldwide,” the Godfather of HBO Boxing said that, “There has been no back and forth negotiation between Floyd Mayweather. Manny Pacquiao and Bob Arum have been negotiating with themselves.”

The only time all of this became real was when the two finally met.

[GRUSTLER]

Come on man! Enough with the pretending! You have never negotiated a contract! It's so obvious that you have not just by what you said "before you sign the contract everyone has to be in agreement. You have the cart before the horse. Here's the sequence of events in negotiations. The parties come together, they negotiate and then come to an agreement on one or many points (gloves, ring size, money split, etc). If there is agreement on all points, a contract is written and presented for signature by both parties. A contract will never ever be written unless there has been agreement on both sides. Why would you waste time and ink on writing a contract that is not based on common principles? Do you understand that Grustler? You have never negotiated a contract and if by any slim chance you might have, I bet my house that you came out on the raw end of the deal. If you did negotiate a contract, can you share the details? I might just learn something from you.

I have negotiated contracts and know for sure that a Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao fight could and would never happen if Showtime and HBO didn't handle their business as well. Why the hell would Mayweather and Pacquiao sign an agreement if they are not sure that the fight gets made? That's a waste of paper and ink. Why do you think they kept saying the networks were the only road block? They cannot sign a contract without all principals in agreement. So Manny saying "Floyd sign the contract" was irrelevant because the business aspect of it wasn't even handled and that was obviously made clear by all sides. I'm not talking about them agreeing because we were debating about whether or not there was an already a signed contract by Manny Pacquiao. Once Showtime and HBO did their thing, Manny signed and then Floyd. How does this not make sense to you? Floyd's issue was that they were telling the media that all he needed to do was sign the contract and the fight happens but it was not true because all the parties involved did not come to terms.

[Prophet2525]

I have negotiated contracts and know for sure that a Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao fight could and would never happen if Showtime and HBO didn't handle their business as well. Why the hell would Mayweather and Pacquiao sign an agreement if they are not sure that the fight gets made? That's a waste of paper and ink. Why do you think they kept saying the networks were the only road block? They cannot sign a contract without all principals in agreement. So Manny saying "Floyd sign the contract" was irrelevant because the business aspect of it wasn't even handled and that was obviously made clear by all sides. I'm not talking about them agreeing because we were debating about whether or not there was a already a signed contract by Manny Pacquiao. Once Showtime and HBO did their thing, Manny signed and then Floyd. How does this not make sense to you?

You're floundering around man. You're burying yourself. You obviously have not negotiated contracts. Quoting you "Why the hell would Mayweather and Pacquiao sign an agreement". A contract is signed not an agreement. Can you share some of the contract negotiations you've been involved with? Going by your ramblings here, I doubt that you have.

[GRUSTLER]

You really crack me up. A "know-it-all" who conveniently makes up his own "facts" to argue a point that only a child would deem relevant. But let me partake in your folly. Stop pretending that you know anything about business. It's blatantly obvious that you don't. Let me help you understand. If there is a contract to sign, there has been agreement. Otherwise, there would be no contract. Do you understand that? If you really are smart and have actually dealt with million dollar contracts in real life, you would know that unless a contract is signed, the agreement is non-binding which means that either party can move the goal post. Obviously, there was a contract to sign because agreement had been reached at that time. Pacman signed that contract but because Floyd wanted to move the goal post like he always does, he then claims that there is no contract. The guy is illiterate and wouldn't know the difference between a contract and an agreement. BUT, he does know for sure that there will be flowmoes like you who will be chomping at the bit at anything he says to denigrate Pac. Flowmoes, like you, who pretend to know 'business'. Now back to the world of adults.

There was no contract and Koncz and Bob Arum said that it was not a contract! It was even an article here on boxingscene. Oh my goodness you guys are morons. Also, how did Floyd move the goal post when Manny agreed to 60/40, random drug testing and so forth? There was never any goal post moved but rather just Arum, Manny and Koncz blowing smoke.

[GRUSTLER]

You're floundering around man. You're burying yourself. You obviously have not negotiated contracts. Quoting you "Why the hell would Mayweather and Pacquiao sign an agreement". A contract is signed not an agreement. Can you share some of the contract negotiations you've been involved with? Going by your ramblings here, I doubt that you have.

Oh now you are trying to point out little Flaws to sound intelligent. We are talking about contracts signed right? Haven't I been saying this word throughout the debate on here? Like "There was not a contract". No matter how you try to paint the picture the message is the same and that message is "there was never a contract" nor was there any agreement reached because HBO and Showtime did not come to terms. Floyd had to tell Koncz and Manny to stop lying. Dude even apologized for it, Arum back tracked on it and here you are trying to sound intelligent. Facts are they were lying.

[Prophet2525]

There was no contract and Koncz and Bob Arum said that it was not a contract! It was even an article here on boxingscene. Oh my goodness you guys are morons. Also, how did Floyd move the goal post when Manny agreed to 60/40, random drug testing and so forth? There was never any goal post moved but rather just Arum, Manny and Koncz blowing smoke.

And I am supposed to believe your interpretation of facts that you then call FACTs? By the way, can you share details of contracts you've negotiated? You don't have to name parties specifically as I am sure that there is an NDA from both sides. I really want to learn from you.

[Prophet2525]

Oh now you are trying to point out little Flaws to sound intelligent. We are talking about contracts signed right? Haven't I been saying this word throughout the debate on here? Like "There was not a contract". No matter how you try to paint the picture the message is the same and that message is "there was never a contract" nor was there any agreement reached because HBO and Showtime did not come to terms. Floyd had to tell Koncz and Manny to stop lying. Dude even apologized for it, Arum back tracked on it and here you are trying to sound intelligent. Facts are they were lying.

AGAIN! And I am supposed to believe your interpretation of facts that you then call FACTs? By the way, can you share details of contracts you've negotiated? You don't have to name parties specifically as I am sure that there is an NDA from both sides. I really want to learn from you.

[Rath]

Fortune needs to watch out for Ariza karate chopping him like he did to Roach. I still can't believe he did that to Roach.

i will tell you why.. soon