Is the PED called Xylocaine still legal in Nevada?

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  • El-blanco
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    #61
    Originally posted by VERSION1 (V1)
    You can use pine tar in baseball
    Rule 1.10(c) of the 2002 Official rules of Major League Baseball states that batters may apply pine tar only from the handle of the bat extending up 18 inches
    Which is why I said ON baseballs.

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    • Robbie Barrett
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      #62
      Originally posted by El-blanco
      Which is why I said ON baseballs.
      Links have already been posted that state it's not illegal to use lidocaine in boxing.

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        #63
        Amazing how the flowmos defend the scumbag yet again.

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        • El-blanco
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          #64
          Originally posted by Isaac Clarke
          Links have already been posted that state it's not illegal to use lidocaine in boxing.
          I wasn't saying that either.

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            #65
            Originally posted by arraamis
            You are negating the fact that lidocaine is a SHORT-TERM LOCAL anesthetic!!!!!!

            In order to "numb the hand" one would require a nerve block above the wrist -- which would branch from nerve bundles originating at the spinal cord and running down the arm.

            In essence, you cannot simply numb\apply a nerve block to the hand without involving additional structures. This will not lead to increased endurance, but muscular and nerve damage as a consequence of the impact. Since the reactionary principal of nerve ending activity is to notify the brain of Pain and prevention of injury. You would essentially eliminate those messages from being sent to the brain and the result would be severe damage to the hand.

            arraamis walking off like:

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              #66
              Originally posted by The Gambler1981
              Can you prove he has used it on fight night? Because they do test for it, and I gave you why they test for it.

              Injuring your hands before the fight is your business, PED in training is about a lasting effect a pain killer like that is likely to have a negative long term effect.

              See the difference?
              During a post fight interview with Larry Merchant, Larry gave Floyd a trick question and Floyd admitted to it. I can get you the video clip if you want.

              Merchant: "Did you use it (the drugs) on one hand or both"
              Floyd: "Both"


              Not sure I understand what you are getting at but both have an affect on the fight.

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                #67
                Originally posted by ADP02
                During a post fight interview with Larry Merchant, Larry gave Floyd a trick question and Floyd admitted to it. I can get you the video clip if you want.

                Merchant: "Did you use it (the drugs) on one hand or both"
                Floyd: "Both"


                Not sure I understand what you are getting at but both have an affect on the fight.
                EPO helps to build lung capacity, so training with it can give you much greater lung capacity overall even if you cycle off (if done correctly).

                Something like lidocaine, dulls nerve endings which cause pain. If you shut down the pain receptors you are going to do damage which pain would normally prevent. So if you train messing up your hands then you can't use it on fight night (which it is tested for) your hands will not be right and you will fight like you have messed up hands.

                I have never taken a post fight interview seriously in my life~ certainly not on something like that.

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                • ukbox
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by arraamis
                  You are negating the fact that lidocaine is a SHORT-TERM LOCAL anesthetic!!!!!!

                  In order to "numb the hand" one would require a nerve block above the wrist -- which would branch from nerve bundles originating at the spinal cord and running down the arm.

                  In essence, you cannot simply numb\apply a nerve block to the hand without involving additional structures. This will not lead to increased endurance, but muscular and nerve damage as a consequence of the impact. Since the reactionary principal of nerve ending activity is to notify the brain of Pain and prevention of injury. You would essentially eliminate those messages from being sent to the brain and the result would be severe damage to the hand.
                  The short term anesthetic has already been linked to dental work. The nerves in the mouth.
                  Anyone that's had tooth pain knows how effective the anesthetic is & the pain/discomfort from root/nerves in the mouth.
                  You do not end up with a numbed head, nor any other part of your body from an injection into the gum.

                  Here's a medical professional explaining how digits can be numbed without the need for a spinal block

                  As an emergency room physician, I frequently see hand injuries. More than 1,000,000 U.S. workers receive treatment in emergency departments annually for acute hand and finger injuries. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that approximately 110,000 workers with hand and finger injuries lose days from work annually — second only to back strain and sprain in terms of work days lost.

                  I injured my hand when I was 18 years old, and since then I have taken a special interest in treating hand injuries.

                  While working in a restaurant I accidentally stuck my index finger into a mechanical cheese grating machine and ground off the tip of my finger. I suffered traumatic nail bed damage, an open fracture, and tendon injury to the dorsum (back side) of my finger.

                  I went directly to the local emergency department where I was seen by a resident physician who took some X-rays and then prepared to repair the extensive lacerations.

                  During the procedure the doctor injected lidocaine (a common local anesthetic) directly into the area surrounding my wounds to anesthetize my finger, which was incredibly painful - more painful than the initial injury. The doctor put in several stitches to stop the bleeding and bandaged my finger with a splint. I was referred to a hand surgeon for follow-up the next day.

                  The hand surgeon examined my wounds and told me he needed to repair the tendon injury and fix the fragmented piece of bone. To do this, he had to remove the stitches. Scared at the prospect of multiple painful shots in the tip of my finger again, I initially refused. The hand surgeon explained he would inject the anesthetic at the base of my finger, which would be much less painful. In fact, he continued, injecting my fingertip was improper, and he was so upset he called the emergency room and spoke with the resident physician and instructed him as to how to properly anesthetize a finger wound.

                  The hand surgeon explained step-by-step the anesthetizing procedure (called a digital block), my injury was fixed with much less pain, and today my finger works normally.

                  A digital block is the proper way to anesthetize a digit (finger or toe) and minimizes the amount of pain of the injection. The nerve endings of the fingers are heavily concentrated on the palmar aspect (the finger surface on the palm side of the hand). Injecting anesthetic into those areas, with their abundance of nerve endings, is quite painful. Instead, it is better to put the medicine in the dorsal (back) side of the hand or foot.

                  The nerve branches that supply the fingers run adjacent to the bone on either side of the knuckles of the hand. Injecting the anesthetic medicine around these nerve branches can accomplish complete anesthesia (numbness) of the whole finger.

                  In this procedure, the doctor first cleans the back of the hand around the knuckles and between the fingers. Then, a small amount of anesthetic is injected on both sides of the digit. Some physicians add lidocaine to the back and front of the finger, forming a ring of anesthetic completely around the base (called a "ring block"). It takes between 5-10 minutes for the anesthetic to completely take effect, causing the finger to feel heavy and numb. Typically the anesthesia lasts between 1-2 hours, and the doctor is able to repair any injuries.


                  Medical Author: John P. Cunha, DO
                  Medical Editor: Melissa Conrad Stöppler, MD
                  source ; emedicinehealth.c0m

                  Floyd had a choice, retire and go broke due to his spending habbits, or continue with his career, earn a fortune cherry picking opponents while numbing his hands.

                  I have a hand injury, In my experience if I had to fight..it would be a whole lot easier and I'd feel a lot more confident if my hand was numbed.
                  If you have to fight with an existing hand injury then you will cause further damage, I know I'd prefer to cause that damage while anesthetized & deal with the aftermath later on. Obvious isn't it?

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Bald Shavers
                    Just a general boxing question that is not connected with any particular fighter.

                    Is Xylocaine - a drug that enhances the performance of boxers that have brittle hands by numbing their hands - sill legal in Nevada despite being banned in 49 states?
                    You know damn well that this is not a general boxing question and it is connected to a particular boxer. First of all, Xylocaine is not a PED. It doesn't show up on any drug test. It doesn't enhance anyone's performance or give anyone an advantage or extra strength. When the dentist deadens my jaw with whatever medication he uses, it does not make me stronger or tougher. It simply prevents me from feeling the pain of a drill.

                    Second, the use of xylocaine is not banned in 49 states. In order for it to be banned in 49 states, there would have to be 49 states that have a boxing commission. There are not 49 states with a boxing commission.

                    Your feeble attempts to attack Floyd Mayweather do nothing but demonstrate what an ignorant mofo you are.

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                    • ukbox
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by big_james10
                      You know damn well that this is not a general boxing question and it is connected to a particular boxer. First of all, Xylocaine is not a PED. It doesn't show up on any drug test. It doesn't enhance anyone's performance or give anyone an advantage or extra strength. When the dentist deadens my jaw with whatever medication he uses, it does not make me stronger or tougher. It simply prevents me from feeling the pain of a drill.

                      Second, the use of xylocaine is not banned in 49 states. In order for it to be banned in 49 states, there would have to be 49 states that have a boxing commission. There are not 49 states with a boxing commission.

                      Your feeble attempts to attack Floyd Mayweather do nothing but demonstrate what an ignorant mofo you are.

                      Would you be as keen to go to your dentist if your teeth were going to be drilled with no pain relief?

                      Why not?

                      Same applies to Floyd training/fighting with xylocaine

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