Comments Thread For: Roach Says Haymon Blocking Pacquiao's Sparring Picks

[brickcityboxing]

If Manny said no, then Floyd had a good reason why he couldn't live up to the contract. But avoiding Manny isn't a valid reason and... that's theoretical anyway, Manny's wanted the fight for years. You can feel how you want about it, Floyd said he'd never fight Manny with Arum involved and what happened... Arum is involved. About the only thing Floyd got his way was more money, everything else he didn't have any say on at all. He's not his own boss.

Dude that contract was written up a few years ago!!! The fight was pretty much dead in the water back then! What are you talking about? Where did you read that there was a "pacquiao clause" in Floyd's shotime contract? Because if there wasn't one then he wasn't OBLIGATED to do ****!!!

He signed a binding legal document to protect both sides if things went south ... They can't "force" anyone to do anything that isn't written in the contract!

[torosboxing75]

This isnt a good look for Floyd period if true.

Yeah Manny has them scared as hell.

[Beater_of_ass]

Dude that contract was written up a few years ago!!! The fight was pretty much dead in the water back then! What are you talking about? Where did you read that there was a "pacquiao clause" in Floyd's shotime contract? Because if there wasn't one then he wasn't OBLIGATED to do ****!!!

He signed a binding legal document to protect both sides if things went south ... They can't "force" anyone to do anything that isn't written in the contract!

Where did I say he had to fight Manny in the contract? The contract HAD TO MAKE MONEY for Showtime. It wasn't making money for Showtime so they weren't going to let him fight Khan or even Cotto, because they wanted to make MONEY. The only way Showtime would make MONEY, paying Floyd that kind of MONEY would be to make the biggest fight in HISTORY. Do you understand now? If not, you're too hopeless to understand it.

[KillaMane26]

Damn dis just pathetic......and im not suprised

[Bolopunch68]

You stop there? What does that mean? So you base Manny's character or morals on wether or not Mayweather also did something? Fact is Manny and his team have done a lot of things to gain an edge over his opponents that are frowned upon.
And your excuse is "Mayweather did it too" ...and???? according to you guys Mayweather is scum. So what's that make Manny?

Didn't both Manny and Floyd uses the same catch weight clause? If you gonna crucify Manny you should crucify Floyd as well. That's why I said I stop there. Both fought on a catchweight. But did Manny or his team doing what Al is supposed to be doing? Did Manny forced his opponent to use different gloves the night before the fight even though it's in their contract? Even after the NSAC people showed brand new Everlast MX gloves out of the wrappers? Or even the Cleto Reyes gloves?

Catchweight clause was agreed upon by both combatants. It's in their contract that both sides signed. Forcing your opponent to use different brand of gloves the night before the fight even though it was in the contract that his opponent can wear his preferred gloves, he still made him change it. Who does that?

[Beater_of_ass]

Huh? you can't be serious. If Roach wants these guys as sparring partners then he or Bob should pay them more than Al is paying them. Simple. Its not like spygate or deflating footballs as those are against the rules /cheating. If this is true, it isn't cheating.

The better example is a college player that commits to school A, then gets a better scholarship offer from school B and takes it rather than signing the letter of intent to school A.

No, because they aren't signing with a school they are sitting at home. Any school that paid someone simply to NOT play them would also be called sissies and afraid to lose. Which is exactly what Floyd is doing, they want Manny as least well prepared as possible and that's fine.

I'ts just an excuse for the Manny guys to use when he loses and it would be a valid one. It's not illegal, it is dishonorable of a legit victory though. I don't think this affects the outcome of the fight but it does take away from Floyds future victory. Floyd should fight Manny at his best instead of trying to do all he can to make him at his worst.

[dc3383]

Roach is hyping the fight now it looks like Floyd side is scared it's brilliant honestly. I can see this being true if the sparring partners are signed to Haymon.

[radioraheem]

Who in their right mind as a businessman stand point will do such a thing? "it was more about grabbing market share and market share from HBO, than MAKING A PROFIT"?

Showtime already losing some money from Floyds fights other than Canelo. If you are a business owner would it be ok for you to lose money or just break even after spending lots of money for your capital? C'mon man!!!!

It's not unusual for a major corporation to make a deal knowing it would be a loss. Because there is a bigger picture involved. Sometimes they'll do a deal and take a loss, just to wipe out a competitor. There's all sorts of reasons to make a deal knowing it will be a loss financially.

Showtime was fully aware and ready to absorb any loss from the Mayweather deal. Because again, they clearly OUTBID HBO for Mayweather. They aren't going to do that not being prepared to absorb loss. They weighed everything. Otherwise, they wouldn't have made the deal in the first place. So for instance, Fox Corp purchased ******* for a huge sum of money, but ******* made them nothing in the end. Fox Corp knew before the deal they could lose money and were ready to absorb the loss if it came to that. They aren't going to make a deal that could bankrupt them if things go south.

[Bolopunch68]

Roach and the Pacquiao camp cannot stop talking. They are making sure they have built in excuses when they lose.

Floyd and his camp cannot stop shaking from fear, they making sure Floyd gets all the advantages even paying his supposed spar mates.

[brickcityboxing]

Where did I say he had to fight Manny in the contract? The contract HAD TO MAKE MONEY for Showtime. It wasn't making money for Showtime so they weren't going to let him fight Khan or even Cotto, because they wanted to make MONEY. The only way Showtime would make MONEY, paying Floyd that kind of MONEY would be to make the biggest fight in HISTORY. Do you understand now? If not, you're too hopeless to understand it.

Hahaha dude GTFOH !!! So I can go into business with someone and make them sign a contract that states my partner "has to make this venture profitable" or else he has to do what I say? What kind of sense does that make?

He already fought Canelo and if the Manny fight was off the table the next most profitable fights are Khan or Cotto or maybe Garcia if he can regain some of the momentum he had.

If they weren't making money with him with the guys he's fought thus far then they just made a bad deal for themselves period ... Because outside of Manny who are these mythical guys he's supposed to be fighting that's going to get him 1.5M every time out?