At what point do we stop using the "GGG is being ducked" excuse?

[The Gambler1981]

Fantastic way to put it.

They've done great, but now creeping up on 3 years, if these Cotto fights, etc are all so impossible.... Maybe Golovkin has reached his ceiling with his handlers/promoters. I can't help but feel this "big fights" would be possible with a new team/handlers now at this point.

I don't know, but that would be part of leaving no stone unturned in terms of opportunities. There is risk to it and it may not pan out great but then at least you could say he tried, I don't think it would get worse really.

[ИATAS]

Why not try to move up and fight Abraham/Stieglitz? At least see if they're willing.

Abraham and Stieglitz have been ordered to fight again.

From Fat Dan:

Get ready for the fourth chapter of the Arthur Abraham-Robert Stieglitz rivalry.

Abraham (42-4, 28 KOs), who retained his super middleweight belt by decision in a rematch with England's Paul Smith on Saturday, was expected to next defend against former four-time middleweight titlist and fellow German star Felix Sturm in what would be a really big fight in their country.

However, on Wednesday the WBO ordered Abraham and former titlist Stieglitz (47-4-1, 27 KOs), also of Germany, to meet in a mandatory fight. The sides have 20 days to make a deal or a purse bid will be ordered.

I, just like you would love for Golovkin to be unified champ. But as you just said, he's basically screwed for the time being. At what point do you stop staying busy against guys he's supposed to beat, even if they're "top fighters?"


Make a change. Try something new. Take a risk. It's been almost 3 years and they've done FANTASTIC to this point. But now it's really starting to stretch out (IMO).

Soon. They already said their pushing for Cotto or at least his belt after his May fight and unification fights. If they don't get them, he'll be forced to move. But we'll have to see what happens after May. There should be some freed up opponents that they have a chance of making fights with by then. We just have to wait and see what happens.

[brettWall]

If you're saying it's HBO/Golovkin team's job to make these duckers look bad via social media, you're wrong.

[HeroBando]

I know they won't. That's why I said see if they're willing. At least take the risk, it wouldn't hurt.

But they don't even want to. They're content just "coasting" and "chilling," enjoying the GGG-Money-Train

Theyve approached much bigger fish, like Chavez, Froch, Kessler. Abe sucks now and he knows it. And so does his promoter, K2 nemesis Sauerland. Sturm is in play, and he ran from ggg for years, its not happening.

[Dr Rumack]

It took Pac two and a half years to get Barrera after he arrived in the US. Obviously things are more urgent for GGG given his age but he's not that far off schedule yet.

He does need a big fight this year though. If it doesn't arrive, put feelers out at 168 and start building the hype for GGG vs Ward.

[King_]

Abraham and Stieglitz have been ordered to fight again.

From Fat Dan:

Get ready for the fourth chapter of the Arthur Abraham-Robert Stieglitz rivalry.

Abraham (42-4, 28 KOs), who retained his super middleweight belt by decision in a rematch with England's Paul Smith on Saturday, was expected to next defend against former four-time middleweight titlist and fellow German star Felix Sturm in what would be a really big fight in their country.

However, on Wednesday the WBO ordered Abraham and former titlist Stieglitz (47-4-1, 27 KOs), also of Germany, to meet in a mandatory fight. The sides have 20 days to make a deal or a purse bid will be ordered.

Soon. They already said their pushing for Cotto or at least his belt after his May fight and unification fights. If they don't get them, he'll be forced to move. But we'll have to see what happens after May. There should be some freed up opponents that they have a chance of making fights with by then. We just have to wait and see what happens.

Fair enough. Lets see what happens after May.

[Ray*]

To be honest the MW is not stacked with enough talent or challenges.

[King_]

If you're saying it's HBO/Golovkin team's job to make these duckers look bad via social media, you're wrong.

Don't be ridiculous. Golovkin's only job is to fight who they put in front of him.

Theyve approached much bigger fish, like Chavez, Froch, Kessler. Abe sucks now and he knows it. And so does his promoter, K2 nemesis Sauerland. Sturm is in play, and he ran from ggg for years, its not happening.

What about Dirrell, Groves, Bika, etc, have they tried them? (not that they'll say yes)

Again, it doesn't hurt to try. And it certainly benefits GGG more to take out a top 15 SMW, then another top MW.

[ИATAS]

What about Dirrell, Groves, Bika, etc, have they tried them? (not that they'll say yes)

Don't know if they tried but all those guys have fights too (except for Groves but he's expecting to plan on fighting Dirrell for his title later this year (assuming Dirrell beats Badou Jack April 24th) and a really soft touch for his next fight).

George Groves (21-2, 16 KOs) has got a little waiting to do before he gets his title shot against unbeaten WBC super middleweight champion Anthony Dirrell (29-0-1, 22 KOs) later on this year after Dirrell gets his optional title defense out of the way first.

Groves was hoping to get the Dirrell title fight next, but Dirrell was granted a four month extension to get his voluntary defense out of the way first. Groves had a shot at getting a nice little payday fight against #1 IBF James DeGale before the Dirrell fight, but Groves isn’t interested in taking that fight for the purse split that’s being offered to him by DeGale’s promoter Eddie Hearn.

“We’ve got an April fight in mind because I don’t want to get caught off guard,” Groves said via Skysports.com.

Groves is probably going to take another light hitting opponent similar to his last two guys he’s fought in Denis Douglin and Christopher Rebrasse. Those were two relatively easy marks that Groves fought after he was knocked out twice by Carl Froch.

[Dickpunch]

When Maricon Cotto actually negotiates with GGG....


When Andy Lee stops making fight plans without GGG. Quillin then BJS.


When Quillin stops dumping his belt to duck GGG Jr (Korobov)