At what point do we stop using the "GGG is being ducked" excuse?

[King_]

To really put pressure on guys Golovkin has to be able to talk, I know people laugh and think he is funny but he needs to be able to get his point across clearly.

He needs a much better frontman than what he has now, he is the sort of guy that needs an Arum or Don King or even Schaeffer.

I agree. Which is why I feel like his frontman MAY be milking him at this point. Can you imagine Golovkin with Arum? Look at Lomachenko, like Bojangles said, he is an exception to this.... but the guy is already fighting on the undercard of the most lucrative fight in boxing history. He's been in America for what... a year?

Golovkin's handlers have done great up to this point. But as I said earlier: You get a talented guy, who's a champion, and he KO's people.... people will tune in no matter what. He was fighting irrelevant fighters in Germany early on his career which is why you can say "Look what his handlers did to him. He's on the verge of stardom in America," but if you look at where he was at before all that (fighting burger flippers in Europe)..... Ronald McDonald could have promoted him, all he had to do was bring him to America and get him an HBO date and the same thing would of happened.

His handlers need to be more aggressive (IMO) at this point. It's been almost 3 years. If he had Arum, De La Hoya.... he would of been SHOVED down everyone's throat until the big fights happen- and they certainly would of happened quicker then 3+ years (IMO). Instead, it feels like everyone involved with GGG is just coasting and "enjoying the ride," with knockout-after-knockout, they get richer, they live better, the ratings come in... and no further "risk" needs to happen. Big fights MAY happen later this year and all this would get thrown at the window. (yes I understand with all this said he has still been fighting "top fighters" at MW this whole time)

If you look at my post history for the past 2.5 years, I have said K2 and HBO have done a fantastic job with Golovkin. But he's past that point of "just get him exposure. knock everyone out and the big fights will come." He's already exposed, people know him. He's knocked out everyone. But the big fights haven't happened yet. At what point is it them just milking him for ratings?

[ИATAS]

I agree. Which is why I feel like his frontman MAY be milking him at this point. Can you imagine Golovkin with Arum? Look at Lomachenko, like Bojangles said, he is an exception to this.... but the guy is already fighting on the undercard of the most lucrative fight in boxing history. He's been in America for what... a year?

Golovkin's handlers have done great up to this point. But as I said earlier: You get a talented guy, who's a champion, and he KO's people.... people will tune in no matter what. He was fighting irrelevant fighters in Germany early on his career which is why you can say "Look what his handlers did to him. He's on the verge of stardom in America," but if you look at where he was at before all that (fighting burger flippers in Europe)..... Ronald McDonald could have promoted him, all he had to do was bring him to America and get him an HBO date and the same thing would of happened.

His handlers need to be more aggressive (IMO) at this point. It's been almost 3 years. If he had Arum, De La Hoya.... he would of been SHOVED down everyone's throat until the big fights happen- and they certainly would of happened quicker then 3+ years (IMO). Instead, it feels like everyone involved with GGG is just coasting and "enjoying the ride," with knockout-after-knockout, they get richer, they live better, the ratings come in... and no further "risk" needs to happen. Big fights MAY happen later this year and all this would get thrown at the window. (yes I understand with all this said he has still been fighting "top fighters" at MW this whole time)

I believe his handlers are doing everything they can and are frustrated as well. They had the Chavez fight in the bag only for him to pull out. If he was with Haymon he would at least get Quillin and Jacobs though (and maybe Chavez down the road too). Outside of that the big promoters aren't invested at 160.

[King_]

He had to travel for Murray who isn't allowed into the US because of his criminal past. I'm sure if there was a title holder available overseas they'd take it, but there isn't even a Nathan Cleverly available. The title holders are Andy Lee (fighting Quillin, winner fights Saunders), WBA "regular" champ Danny Jacobs (looks like Haymon is pushing him on the PBC series), and vacant IBF (Ndam vs Lemieux). Am I missing anyone? Oh yeah Cotto, who we've covered. Basically right now, GGG is stuck with what's available. Even at 168 it's the same scenario at the present time (that could open up later in the year of course).

Basically GGG has two options:

1. Stay the course. Fight best available and hope he gets unification and/or big fight soon.

2. Abandon 160 and campaign at 168. Try to push for Chavez (Haymon), Froch (retirement looming) and eventually Ward. It's like the same scenario at 160 tbh.

He's basically screwed for the time being. Eventually the fights will come, whether it's 160 or 168. Can't force it until then though.

Why not try to move up and fight Abraham/Stieglitz? At least see if they're willing.


I, just like you would love for Golovkin to be unified champ. But as you just said, he's basically screwed for the time being. At what point do you stop staying busy against guys he's supposed to beat, even if they're "top fighters?"


Make a change. Try something new. Take a risk. It's been almost 3 years and they've done FANTASTIC to this point. But now it's really starting to stretch out (IMO).

[King_]

I believe his handlers are doing everything they can and are frustrated as well. They had the Chavez fight in the bag only for him to pull out. If he was with Haymon he would at least get Quillin and Jacobs though (and maybe Chavez down the road too). Outside of that the big promoters aren't invested at 160.

See above post^^^


Are they really frustrated, though? Or are they just "chillin'?"

The JCC Jr thing was really unfortunate and it sucks that didn't happen. Like really, really sucks.

[The Gambler1981]

I agree. Which is why I feel like his frontman MAY be milking him at this point. Can you imagine Golovkin with Arum? Look at Lomachenko, like Bojangles said, he is an exception to this.... but the guy is already fighting on the undercard of the most lucrative fight in boxing history. He's been in America for what... a year?

Golovkin's handlers have done great up to this point. But as I said earlier: You get a talented guy, who's a champion, and he KO's people.... people will tune in no matter what. He was fighting irrelevant fighters in Germany early on his career which is why you can say "Look what his handlers did to him. He's on the verge of stardom in America," but if you look at where he was at before all that (fighting burger flippers in Europe)..... Ronald McDonald could have promoted him, all he had to do was bring him to America and get him an HBO date and the same thing would of happened.

His handlers need to be more aggressive (IMO) at this point. It's been almost 3 years. If he had Arum, De La Hoya.... he would of been SHOVED down everyone's throat until the big fights happen- and they certainly would of happened quicker then 3+ years (IMO). Instead, it feels like everyone involved with GGG is just coasting and "enjoying the ride," with knockout-after-knockout, they get richer, they live better, the ratings come in... and no further "risk" needs to happen. Big fights MAY happen later this year and all this would get thrown at the window. (yes I understand with all this said he has still been fighting "top fighters" at MW this whole time)

If you look at my post history for the past 2.5 years, I have said K2 and HBO have done a fantastic job with Golovkin. But he's past that point of "just get him exposure. knock everyone out and the big fights will come." He's already exposed, people know him. He's knocked out everyone. But the big fights haven't happened yet. At what point is it them just milking him for ratings?

I think it is a bit of both I think they are trying hard and are frustrated but that is leading them into a rather circular path of same old same old.

To me it is really starting to look like his current team have taken him as far as they could, and Golovkin is too old to just be lingering with them out of loyalty if they can't get the job done. Fat dumb and happy or unable either way needs the same solution.

[BlakBread904]

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Skimming your posts, it appears you are saying that GGG's team should be using social media to pressure opposing fighters who are perceived to be ducking him, into fighting him. As if that will magically make those fighters and their handlers make a move.

Boxing doesn't work like that. It's a sport-for-business, and while most in the business of boxing pay lip service to "what the fans want" it's obvious that "what the fans want" takes back seat to "good" business decisions and relatively advantageous matchmaking.

For fighters who are in the American national consciousness like Mayweather and Pacquiao, that MIGHT work. but it took 5-6 years plus one of the most powerful people in television to make it happen, and social media pressure's role in it is very questionable. People have been hounding both fighters publicly over it (and other possible matchups) for years. Alot of those proposed match ups didn't happen. but this one did. not because of public pressure (which never changed in regards to May/Pacq) but because both fighters are nearing the end of their careers and this is a legacy defining fight. No one wants to see them fight 10-15 years too late like Bhop/RJJ, and it would be relatively bad for business to put it off for that long.

[King_]

I think it is a bit of both I think they are trying hard and are frustrated but that is leading them into a rather circular path of same old same old.

To me it is really starting to look like his current team have taken him as far as they could, and Golovkin is too old to just be lingering with them out of loyalty if they can't get the job done. Fat dumb and happy or unable either way needs the same solution.

Fantastic way to put it.

They've done great, but now creeping up on 3 years, if these Cotto fights, etc are all so impossible.... Maybe Golovkin has reached his ceiling with his handlers/promoters. I can't help but feel this "big fights" would be possible with a new team/handlers now at this point.

[HeroBando]

Why not try to move up and fight Abraham/Stieglitz? At least see if they're willing.


I, just like you would love for Golovkin to be unified champ. But as you just said, he's basically screwed for the time being. At what point do you stop staying busy against guys he's supposed to beat, even if they're "top fighters?"


Make a change. Try something new. Take a risk. It's been almost 3 years and they've done FANTASTIC to this point. But now it's really starting to stretch out (IMO).

Dude theres no way Abe or Stieglitz fight him. Theyre in a merry go round with Sturm, good money and nobody gets too hurt. Cmon

[King_]

Skimming your posts, it appears you are saying that GGG's team should be using social media to pressure opposing fighters who are perceived to be ducking him, into fighting him. As if that will magically make those fighters and their handlers make a move.

Boxing doesn't work like that. It's a sport-for-business, and while most in the business of boxing pay lip service to "what the fans want" it's obvious that "what the fans want" takes back seat to "good" business decisions and relatively advantageous matchmaking.

For fighters who are in the American national consciousness like Mayweather and Pacquiao, that MIGHT work. but it took 5-6 years plus one of the most powerful people in television to make it happen, and social media pressure's role in it is very questionable. People have been hounding both fighters publicly over it (and other possible matchups) for years. Alot of those proposed match ups didn't happen. but this one did. not because of public pressure (which never changed in regards to May/Pacq) but because both fighters are nearing the end of their careers and this is a legacy defining fight. No one wants to see them fight 10-15 years too late like Bhop/RJJ, and it would be relatively bad for business to put it off for that long.

That is literally nothing what I am saying. Stop skimming and read the thread.

[King_]

Dude theres no way Abe or Stieglitz fight him. Theyre in a merry go round with Sturm, good money and nobody gets too hurt. Cmon

I know they won't. That's why I said see if they're willing. At least take the risk, it wouldn't hurt.

But they don't even want to. They're content just "coasting" and "chilling," enjoying the GGG-Money-Train