At what point do we stop using the "GGG is being ducked" excuse?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

There's nothing they can do to stop Cotto having a voluntary. He's well within his rights to exercise that. They'll have to wait until later in the year to really force Cotto's hand.

[King_]

He literally called out Cotto after the Murray fight and a couple of other times before that iirc.

But what's the relevance in that? He's been calling out Cotto since he beat Geale at MSG. The point is its not up to Golovkin. HE wants to fight Cotto, Canelo, Quillin and all those guys. It's his handlers. They need to make it happen. Force the "duckers" hands.

Golovkin isn't really being ducked most of the top MWs have fought him.

It's really just Quillin, Cotto and Jacobs at this point.

So they need to make a public offer, if it gets rejected.... shame on the "duckers," then there's obviously nothing else they can do. Move up to 168, get a challenging opponent.


Don't you feel like Golovkin is being milked at this point, by HBO his handlers? Or is that just me?

[vorgaphe]

I think it should have stopped a long time ago with the Andre Ward situation.

I completely understand why they didn't want the Ward fight but then you can't on the same hand say that everyone is ducking you.

Just get on with your business. Fight whoever next and see what Cotto does after he takes care of his voluntary.

I actually liked the idea of him fighting on the Froch-Chavez undercard, maybe against Hopkins.

I don't think it's fair to hold Ward against him until Ward has his two tune-ups and has properly returned to the ring. After that happens, then pressure should be put on GGG, but until that time you can't really hold it against GGG. If GGG gets lineal title and Ward gets a couple of good return wins, the fight will be even bigger and better for the fans.

[King_]

There's nothing they can do to stop Cotto having a voluntary. He's well within his rights to exercise that. They'll have to wait until later in the year to really force Cotto's hand.

You're right. Maybe I should of made this thread later in the year.... But either way, this HAS to be the next step for Golovkin's handlers. For whoever they want to fight who's been ducking them.


Otherwise just move up to 168 and get it over with. I bet top 168lbers are licking their lips at the thought of derailing boxing's "Golden Boys" path of destruction.


If they don't do any of this..... It's a damn shame that such a great talent is being milked by a bunch of greedy people.

[ИATAS]

How do you know they haven't sent offers to these guys? You seriously don't think they attempted to negotiate with Cotto? The guy is clearly not interested. They obviously have tried with bigger names, a deal was in place for Chavez who pulled out.

There isn't much he can do here. HBO is giving him a date in May, everyone already has fights including 168 so he can either fight a top 15 guy or not fight at all. If you prefer he sits until someone with a name accepts, well thats easier for us to say being we aren't the ones missing out on a paycheck.

His team is saying the goal is Cotto's belt. I'm sure they are expecting Miguel to vacate since he won't fight GGG and he'll have to fight someone for the vacant title assuming the WBC follows their own rules (which by no means is a guarantee). Eventually if he can't get any unification bouts or big names he'll be forced to go to 168 which is a shame as us fans always want to see a weight class unified, but he can't force these guys to fight.

[bojangles1987]

He signed to fight Chavez at 168, and Chavez walked away. His team reached out to Froch and was told no. There were talks with Kessler that apparently went no where.

What at 168 should he be reaching for besides Ward, who isn't fighting anyone?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I don't think it's fair to hold Ward against him until Ward has his two tune-ups and has properly returned to the ring. After that happens, then pressure should be put on GGG, but until that time you can't really hold it against GGG. If GGG gets lineal title and Ward gets a couple of good return wins, the fight will be even bigger and better for the fans.

This was a long time ago when Ward was still semi-active and Golovkin's people said they didn't want the fight because it didn't make financial sense. I'm not holding that against him. It's a fair statement

But then don't complain at the same time you can't get big fights and fight people like Adama or whoever. When there was a willing name out there who wanted to fight you.

[The Big Dunn]

If not Cotto, yes, fights like Canelo are the ones that has to happen.


But if these guys are ducking him all the time..... why not publicly shame them on twitter and in the media? That's not a good look for the fighters "ducking" him.

But it feels like his handlers are content with continuing this garbage cycle.

HBO doesn't care because he gets great ratings whoever he fights. SO they can keep paying him relatively nothing, pay the opponents relatively nothing, and keep reaping the profits.

He should've gone to 168 already. Now Froch, Kessler, Chavez jr., and ward fights are not going to happen. Unless he can get Canelo, his best bet is Lee murks Quillin and then they fight for that belt, but Lee sucks as well.

I think you have a point about changing his style and getting a little gangster.

[King_]

How do you know they haven't sent offers to these guys? You seriously don't think they attempted to negotiate with Cotto? The guy is clearly not interested. They obviously have tried with bigger names, a deal was in place for Chavez who pulled out.

There isn't much he can do here. HBO is giving him a date in May, everyone already has fights including 168 so he can either fight a top 15 guy or not fight at all. If you prefer he sits until someone with a name accepts, well thats easier for us to say being we aren't the ones missing out on a paycheck.

His team is saying the goal is Cotto's belt. I'm sure they are expecting Miguel to vacate since he won't fight GGG and he'll have to fight someone for the vacant title assuming the WBC follows their own rules (which by no means is a guarantee). Eventually if he can't get any unification bouts or big names he'll be forced to go to 168 which is a shame as us fans always want to see a weight class unified, but he can't force these guys to fight.

No, I do not prefer him to sit... As I said, him staying active and fighting the best and willing opponents has been a fresh breath for boxing recently.

This is totally not a knock on Golovkin. I'm a huge fan. It's his handlers and HBO. You're probably right- they have sent offers to Cotto and all these guys (I know they did for Quillin) but that's obviously not enough at this point. Which is why I'm suggesting:

Make the offer public. How many boxing fans use twitter and other sites? Cotto, Quillin, Chavez Jr.... I guarantee you they have 1000s of blind fans who don't even know Golovkin exists or that they're favorite fighters are/have been ducking him. So, what they need to do is make the offers public. Tag the **** out of every person in the industry... Tag the opposing fighters, they're handlers, promoters, etc.... Let EVERYONE know they're being ducked. Let JCC Jr's and Cotto's fans who don't know about Golovkin know they're fav fighter is ducking him.


THEN if this doesn't work.... as you said, it's a shame because we all want a unified division-but maybe it's time to move up to 168? You can only stay so "active" and keep taking these stay-busy fights. Which is why I'm not suggesting he stop fighting until someone steps up, I'm suggesting he stop this "Stay busy against top 25 MW" and just get it over with and move up to 168. Besides the guys who are ducking him at 160..... those are the only "legacy fights" left for GGG.

[HeroBando]

Yes- I want him to fight Cotto next. Did you see what I suggested about getting these type of fights? Why don't they do this? And if they don't want to do this..... read the last lines of the OP. They're clearly milking him, and it's not fair to Golovkin or fans of boxing.


"What I mean is..... Golovkin's being ducked? Okay. No more lists of Sergio Mora, Taureano Johnson and Gregorsz Proksas little brother..... How about you resend offers to the guys he needs to fight: Cotto, Quillin, etc.... and make it public. Every fighter, promoter, network, etc, uses twitter nowadays. If Quillin or Cotto's handlers are avoiding you and acting like you don't exist... Why doesn't Loeffler/HBO make them offers and use twitter and other media outlets to make the offer public. Force their hand. Make them publicly decline a Golovkin fight. Allow their fans and friends to know there is this "beast in the MW division" that could give them a huge payday, that they don't want to fight."

They're not sending offers to the likes of Cotto lol. You know how this works?