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  • #21
    Originally posted by tiliheels View Post
    the term "defensive fighter" should make u understand he drops your output..he's much for mindful that you as well...everyone loves the term so much they seem to forget how he bates you into being aggressive..the more pac opens up the more punishment he takes from the most crisp shots in the game...the less the less floyd has to batter him and only wins a jabbing contest..

    pac cannot judah with floyd...this southpaw volume stance is really nonsense imo
    I really have to disagree with this, Mayweather seems to have lost a little fire and doesn't trade with opponents. I don't think Mayweather will look for countering opportunities but rather pot shot Manny in the center of the ring.

    Floyd's rich life style has tarnished his toughness, he was literally complaining in the corner in the first Maidana fight about a little cut. And when Floyd is hurt he just stops throwing punches.

    I'm more concern with if Manny is able to create a fast pace fight will Floyd be able to keep up. Floyds stamina is decent but at fast pace fights he seems to fade (Watch the final the round of the Maidana fight, and you'll see Floyd resorted to clinching the entire round and rarely threw punches.)

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    • #22
      Both have good stamina, I mean Floyd would spar 10 to 15 minute rounds, was even sparring 9 minutes as recently as his Cotto fight. I dont even think Manny does that, but regardless both fighters have superior stamina. Floyd fought 11 hard rounds with Cotto and was up on his toes hurting Cotto in that 12th round.

      I like the idea of going to the body, and some other guys Floyd has fought have decent work rates, however his style typically makes his opponents throw less than usual.

      Remember Manny vs a counterpunching Marquez threw more jabs and less power punches against him than many of his other opponents.

      Marquez had a hell of a time figuring Floyds style out, and IMO if there is one difference I see, is that I think Floyd is mentally superior. Manny at times gets frustrated when you move and dont engage, thus resulting in mental mistakes.

      I do think his workrate will cause issues, but I think Floyd is levels above and Manny cant just recklessly throw with abandon like Maidana did, big difference is that Maidana was able to bully Floyd, I dont think Manny can physically bully him on the ropes and Manny doesnt have a great inside game.

      7-5 for Floyd i think it will be close

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      • #23
        Volume vs defensive counters. Again, there is a circular here that can play out to the benefit of either guy. Pac's volume, that work rate of his could easily help him win rounds. Floyd's countering could reduce Pac's work rate and then he could win rounds with defense, movement, jabs, perfect straight right counters.

        But if Floyd's countering does not back Pac off or reduce his work rate or cause him to miss a lot, then that could work in Pac's favor. If Pac in one of his combinations gets caught with a perfect hook or right hand ala Hatton did against Floyd, Pac could be in trouble.

        If Pac's southpaw left hand breaks through Floyd's guard often which is at least a more difficult for Floyd to shoulder roll with, it could favor Pac as well as the angles he uses. Maybe for much of the fight, all these scenarios play out and the judges will have their work cut out.

        I think because both are going to be at the best they can be, rounds could go back and forth. Maybe one guy will simply be too difficult or too on point that night for the other to solve and it becomes a dominant performance. But I see both having success at times.

        And that's why we have this fight, it is easy to see how one or both guys could be a nightmare for the other and intriguing because they both have shown giftedness in the ring.
        Last edited by richardt; 03-01-2015, 05:25 PM.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by HeGotPacProblem View Post
          Pac got 2 young unknown guys selected so far, who has Floyd got for sparring partner(s)?
          Floyd also hired the videographer who owns the artistic rights to much of Pacquiao's sparring footage over the past 6 years or so.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Thutch2412 View Post
            Both have good stamina, I mean Floyd would spar 10 to 15 minute rounds, was even sparring 9 minutes as recently as his Cotto fight. I dont even think Manny does that, but regardless both fighters have superior stamina. Floyd fought 11 hard rounds with Cotto and was up on his toes hurting Cotto in that 12th round.

            I like the idea of going to the body, and some other guys Floyd has fought have decent work rates, however his style typically makes his opponents throw less than usual.

            Remember Manny vs a counterpunching Marquez threw more jabs and less power punches against him than many of his other opponents.

            Marquez had a hell of a time figuring Floyds style out, and IMO if there is one difference I see, is that I think Floyd is mentally superior. Manny at times gets frustrated when you move and dont engage, thus resulting in mental mistakes.

            I do think his workrate will cause issues, but I think Floyd is levels above and Manny cant just recklessly throw with abandon like Maidana did, big difference is that Maidana was able to bully Floyd, I dont think Manny can physically bully him on the ropes and Manny doesnt have a great inside game.

            7-5 for Floyd i think it will be close
            I like your scoring, I think that is a plausible outcome where the fight is very close but could go either way. But Pac does not need to bully Floyd. Maidana comes straight in, loops his punches where Pac uses in and out, angles, faster punches, and more of them than the slower Maidana. So Floyd will need a different plan against Pac and while I can see him doing that, to his success, I can also see Pac being a little too much for Floyd as far as the scoring goes. Maybe that is why someone like me who sees two sides, will have the most fun because to me unlike followers from both sides who see an overwhelming success of their favorite fighters - I see a complex fight taking place and am anxious to see which fighter imposes their style a little better and whoever that is, cong**** to them for raising their legacy. Maybe we get a draw that most agree is warranted, and both raise their legacy. Or maybe the debate will continue for many years with one side claiming their guy won. UGH! Rematch if close.
            Last edited by richardt; 03-01-2015, 05:11 PM.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by DeadLikeMe View Post
              Floyd also hired the videographer who owns the artistic rights to much of Pacquiao's sparring footage over the past 6 years or so.
              Floyd shook to his boots.


              "Don't watch tape doe"

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              • #27
                Stamina

                I don't think mayweather can deter pacquiao with his punching power...he don't sit down on his punches and he just potshots.....this is not the mayweather who had the leg speed against hatton...he has to stay in the pocket more and this is where pacquiao can be dangerous.....I saw it with maidana and cotto.....he backs up and counters with shots that don't do damage...after both maidana fights maidana was not even marked...he will also have to raise his punching output because pacquiao don't gas........when 2 fighters with equal foot and handspeed one with great defence and one with great offence it's gonna be about who wants it the most......

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Reloaded View Post
                  Who has been 20 pounds smaller than Floyds last 10 yrs of opposition that has come at Floyd ?
                  I know floyd will outweigh pac by 20lbs but that won't help against pac.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by DeadLikeMe View Post
                    Floyd also hired the videographer who owns the artistic rights to much of Pacquiao's sparring footage over the past 6 years or so.
                    Is this true??? Do you have a link to the source??

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by DeadLikeMe View Post
                      Floyd also hired the videographer who owns the artistic rights to much of Pacquiao's sparring footage over the past 6 years or so.
                      Source for this?

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