Comments Thread For: Nacho: Pacquiao Has 45% Shot To Beat Mayweather

[Johnwoo8686]

Who has been able to counter Manny since his move to WW besides Marquez (who fought him 4X with a record of 1-2-1 against him)? Even then, Marquez challenged Pac, exchanged with him, and took some hellacious beatings as a result. Even in the fight he won, he was bloody and battered with Nacho threatening to stop the fight. Everyone who tried the backing up, countering strategy lost WIDE easy decisions. The 5'10" 72" reach (same as Floyd) Algieri just tried that strategy and was put on his ass 6X for his effort.

The worse thing Floyd could do is fight overly defensively. Pac would win on activity alone even if he only landed like 20% of his punches (see: Clottey, Joshua). Sooner or later he's going to have to open up, let his hands go. And judging by how terrible he looked physically against Chino... I don't see that going well for him at 38.

The reason why Marquez had such close fights with Manny is BECAUSE he opened up and exchanged instead of sticking to his game plan of countering and moving each and every time Manny came in. It was during an exchange that he was dropped in the second fight and the knockdown is the ONLY thing that gave Manny the victory.

And I hope you're not trying to compare Floyd to Algieri. Algierie backed up but he rarely sat on his punches and had awful balance. And a few of those knockdowns were actually slips. Algierie had next to no experience at the elite level and only 8 kos as a pro. We all knew he was a cherry pick. But you keep bringing up Manny's combos. One thing Algieri did do successfully was cut Manny's punch out put down to only a little over 600 punches in 12 rounds by applying lateral movement.

Floyd may be slowing down but so is Manny. He looked WAY slower in Bradley 2 than he did in Bradey 1. At 36, and after being KO'd, I'm not sure Manny can fight at the pace he used to... unless you put him in there with someone who's seriously outgunned in terms of experience.

[b Murphington]

Who has been able to counter Manny since his move to WW besides Marquez (who fought him 4X with a record of 1-2-1 against him)? Even then, Marquez challenged Pac, exchanged with him, and took some hellacious beatings as a result. Even in the fight he won, he was bloody and battered with Nacho threatening to stop the fight. Everyone who tried the backing up, countering strategy lost WIDE easy decisions. The 5'10" 72" reach (same as Floyd) Algieri just tried that strategy and was put on his ass 6X for his effort.

The worse thing Floyd could do is fight overly defensively. Pac would win on activity alone even if he only landed like 20% of his punches (see: Clottey, Joshua). Sooner or later he's going to have to open up, let his hands go. And judging by how terrible he looked physically against Chino... I don't see that going well for him at 38.

He's saying that against Floyd, Pacquiaos not gonna throw a shyt ton of punches his outputs gonna drop off because Floyd will hit him with sharp shots and make Manny think twice about going after him.

You guys down play Floyds power too much. Thinking that Mannys just gonna walk threw Floyds sharp counters keep dreaming. Floyd doesn't run over guys, but he has enough power to gain respect and Manny WILL respect him. Also Floyd has a better chin than Pac, Floyd took clean shots against Miadana and came back strong. Miadana packs a lot more power than Manny. If Floyd can survive Miadana's power, he'll be fine with Pac's.

[b Murphington]

Who has been able to counter Manny since his move to WW besides Marquez (who fought him 4X with a record of 1-2-1 against him)? Even then, Marquez challenged Pac, exchanged with him, and took some hellacious beatings as a result. Even in the fight he won, he was bloody and battered with Nacho threatening to stop the fight. Everyone who tried the backing up, countering strategy lost WIDE easy decisions. The 5'10" 72" reach (same as Floyd) Algieri just tried that strategy and was put on his ass 6X for his effort.

The worse thing Floyd could do is fight overly defensively. Pac would win on activity alone even if he only landed like 20% of his punches (see: Clottey, Joshua). Sooner or later he's going to have to open up, let his hands go. And judging by how terrible he looked physically against Chino... I don't see that going well for him at 38.

And yeah please don't act like Manny really put a big beating on Algeri, 3 or 4 of those KD's were slips, you can tell on the replays and Algeri popped right back up without even taking his time.

[WalkerSmith1921]

If Floyd lost by KO on May 2nd, he could be aptly called "Floored Mayweather"

So Rath when Manny got knocked out in December of 2012 do you refer to him as "Mopped Manny" lol you guys are a joke. lmfao.

[jaded]

Floyd likely feels if Marquez...who he had an easy time with...can give Manny trouble as he does...then he will have no problems with Pac. This is hard to deny and is probably what many people think. But Manny's style of swarming seems to be the one thing that gives Floyd the most trouble. When Maidana swarmed Floyd he did well but didn't/doesn't have Manny's speed...energy...power and accuracy or persistence.

I think Floyd will get hit much more than he ever did and he does not like getting hit at all and will be in for more than he is used to.

Lots of question marks here...but I believe Manny will do much better than anyone has ever done. He just might break him down. He would need to do so very convincingly though to get a decision in Las Vegas. He would have to beat the crap out of him and make his face swell.

[ThePrince]

The reason why Marquez had such close fights with Manny is BECAUSE he opened up and exchanged instead of sticking to his game plan of countering and moving each and every time Manny came in. It was during an exchange that he was dropped in the second fight and the knockdown is the ONLY thing that gave Manny the victory.

And I hope you're not trying to compare Floyd to Algieri. Algierie backed up but he rarely sat on his punches and had awful balance. And a few of those knockdowns were actually slips. Algierie had next to no experience at the elite level and only 8 kos as a pro. We all knew he was a cherry pick. But you keep bringing up Manny's combos. One thing Algieri did do successfully was cut Manny's punch out put down to only a little over 600 punches in 12 rounds by applying lateral movement.

Floyd may be slowing down but so is Manny. He looked WAY slower in Bradley 2 than he did in Bradey 1. At 36, and after being KO'd, I'm not sure Manny can fight at the pace he used to... unless you put him in there with someone who's seriously outgunned in terms of experience.

And that resulted in him losing every minute of every round and hitting the canvass 6 times. Like I said, backing up and trying to counter every once in a while means you lose a WIDE decision to Manny. Cutting down his output means nothing if you don't come back with something yourself. Throwing 30ish punches per round won't get the job done.

No way Floyd can win throwing the same amount of shots as he did against Maidana the second time (think it was 350ish). Last person to throw that few against Manny was Clottey.

He's saying that against Floyd, Pacquiaos not gonna throw a shyt ton of punches his outputs gonna drop off because Floyd will hit him with sharp shots and make Manny think twice about going after him.

You guys down play Floyds power too much. Thinking that Mannys just gonna walk threw Floyds sharp counters keep dreaming. Floyd doesn't run over guys, but he has enough power to gain respect and Manny WILL respect him. Also Floyd has a better chin than Pac, Floyd took clean shots against Miadana and came back strong. Miadana packs a lot more power than Manny. If Floyd can survive Miadana's power, he'll be fine with Pac's.

Absolutely ridiculous. Who has Maidana fought that proved he carries real power at 147?

Meanwhile Pac did this to a 6 foot tall, 165-lber while coming in light himself:



He broke the guy's orbital bone and almost blinded him with an uppercut in the 4th round.

[Johnwoo8686]

And that resulted in him losing every minute of every round and hitting the canvass 6 times. Like I said, backing up and trying to counter every once in a while means you lose a WIDE decision to Manny. Cutting down his output means nothing if you don't come back with something yourself. Throwing 30ish punches per round won't get the job done.

No way Floyd can win throwing the same amount of shots as he did against Maidana the second time (think it was 350ish). Last person to throw that few against Manny was Clottey.



Absolutely ridiculous. Who has Maidana fought that proved he carries real power at 147?

Meanwhile Pac did this to a 6 foot tall, 165-lber while coming in light himself:



He broke the guy's orbital bone and almost blinded him with an uppercut in the 4th round.

There you go again, only comprehending part of what people are telling you. Sure Algieri lost every round, he's a kickboxer with NO experience at the elite boxing level. You can't compare him to someone who has an olympic amateur pedigree and multi division champion.

And you're using pics of the Margarito fight which was five years ago. Manny doesn't hit nearly as hard as he used to and he's certainly not throwing a thousand punches in his fights anymore.

[Robbie Barrett]

So Rath when Manny got knocked out in December of 2012 do you refer to him as "Mopped Manny" lol you guys are a joke. lmfao.

Mannequin Pacquiao

[ThePrince]

There you go again, only comprehending part of what people are telling you. Sure Algieri lost every round, he's a kickboxer with NO experience at the elite boxing level. You can't compare him to someone who has an olympic amateur pedigree and multi division champion.

And you're using pics of the Margarito fight which was five years ago. Manny doesn't hit nearly as hard as he used to and he's certainly not throwing a thousand punches in his fights anymore.

Uh... yes he does. Only difference is, post Cotto anyone who normally would've tried to walk him down (as some clowns here are suggesting a 38 year old Floyd will try to do ) decided to either shell up or run en route to wide decision losses instead. The only exceptions were Margarito who was blinded and Marquez who got a flash KO. Bradley tried to mix it up for a bit after being overconfident following the Marquez KO, cost him his 0.

[Arshad221]

There you go again, only comprehending part of what people are telling you. Sure Algieri lost every round, he's a kickboxer with NO experience at the elite boxing level. You can't compare him to someone who has an olympic amateur pedigree and multi division champion.

And you're using pics of the Margarito fight which was five years ago. Manny doesn't hit nearly as hard as he used to and he's certainly not throwing a thousand punches in his fights anymore.

illegal wraps won't be used in this fight though. Wasn't Bob the promoter of the restos fight? No doubt in my mind PACs been using stacked wraps.