Comments Thread For: Marquez: Pacquiao Must Try To Knock Mayweather Out

[therealpugilist]

You're talking about ranked and you know that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking specifically about skills and Judah was not one of the top guys when it comes to skills. Seriously, listen to what you're saying; he lost to Baldomir. A clear indication right there that Judah is not elite.

Did I say Morales and Marquez were better than Mayweather? No, I'm saying they're A level opponents, unlike Judah. No need to pretend that Pacquiao didn't beat Marquez in any of the other fights before 2012...and no need to overrated Floyd when he struggled against another A level opponent (Cotto) in that same year.

Any fighter can be upset....it doesn't take a great fighter to beat a great fighter

Did Pacquaio ever beat Marquez clearly and decisively? No... and you know it, you wont admit it

So Tyson wasnt world class because he lost to buster douglass, so he was never elite right?

Lennox Lewis lost to Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall...guess he wasn't world class

Donald Curry wasn't world class cause he lost to Honeyghan

you are correct....Judah was not an A level guy but he was good enough to win the undisputed welterweight title, and won the IBF at 140 before and after that


Being an A level fighter and world class is two totally different things

[jjsmyth87]

my logic involves no if ands or buts...no should have, could have, would have


these are the facts....Maidana is a former welterweight title holder and currently a top ten contender


Rios is a former lightweight titleholder who campaigns at welterweight, who is not a top ten contender and never beat a top ten contender at the weight


losing to Pacquaio does not make him a better fighter and I don't give a fighter credit just because he didn't get kayoed

that's like saying Algieri is on Marquez level cause they both went the distance...going the distance with a fighter better than you doesn't make you any better than a ko loss...it looks better but a loss is a loss


Maidana has beaten and defeated better fighters and more contenders than Rios, especially above 140 so there is no real argument.....Maidana is more proven and is a better fighter

It would be a great fight because of Rios' heart, desire, chin, and inside game but I'd favor Maidana because he is physically stronger, hits harder, has a better jab and actually times some of his shots....Rios resembles a punching bag at the elite level

Your comparing the worst fighter pacquiao has faced in 10 years to an average mayweather opponent. Sure Rios wasn't a top 10 welterweight, but he was top 10 at 140 when pacquiao faced him, and was also king at 135. Yes Alvarado had been in a few wars, but that doesn't mean you cant take a punch all of a sudden. Provodnikov made him quit and beat him bad, why couldn't Marquez if Provo had softened his chin? Rios just straight beat the crap out of mike Alvarado. Pacquiao taking rips as a tune up fight back then is like someone such as Adrien broker or Keith Thurman taking the toughest test of their careers. Pacquiao was coming off a loss and faced him. Even if you don't like Brandon Rios, so what? Pacquiao did the same thing to Rios as he did to legends of the game (note my signature) and btw, to the earlier poster who asked what does Manny do better than Floyd. Lmao are you serious? How about better punching power and way better footwork for starters. Also more aggression, throws more combos, takes more risks aka has more guts. Pacquiaos chin and defense are also very underated. Manny literally walked into a ped abusing Marquez right hand. When have you seen Manny ever walk into a punch like that? He goes in and out yes, but he's always pretty guarded when he goes in, and hes always throwing a combination which causes the opponent to cover up. Manny walked in without throwing anything as Marquez was throwing a vicious right. That never happens. Also Marquez never had angel heredia before that either, and never had hulk Hogan muscles.

[PAC-BOY]

my logic involves no if ands or buts...no should have, could have, would have


these are the facts....Maidana is a former welterweight title holder and currently a top ten contender


Rios is a former lightweight titleholder who campaigns at welterweight, who is not a top ten contender and never beat a top ten contender at the weight


losing to Pacquaio does not make him a better fighter and I don't give a fighter credit just because he didn't get kayoed

that's like saying Algieri is on Marquez level cause they both went the distance...going the distance with a fighter better than you doesn't make you any better than a ko loss...it looks better but a loss is a loss


Maidana has beaten and defeated better fighters and more contenders than Rios, especially above 140 so there is no real argument.....Maidana is more proven and is a better fighter

It would be a great fight because of Rios' heart, desire, chin, and inside game but I'd favor Maidana because he is physically stronger, hits harder, has a better jab and actually times some of his shots....Rios resembles a punching bag at the elite level

Your logic doesnt matter. Or what you say is fact. Rios and Maidan are the same type of opposition. Any and every fighter he fought that was of any thing worth considered a top guy...He lost too. If you consider Broners over rated ass a top guy well than you have issues.

Floyd twice Khan Alexander and Kotelnik (who) all lost too. Other than that his resume mimics Rios opposition P4P! So what it was at WW or JrWW or LW Rios at WW has nothing to do with Rios at JR WW or LW or whatever. He still falls in with the same opposition.

[chardrnm]

The way I see it Floyd will try Potshotting, counterpunching then go defensive. Then Pacquiao gives him multiple punch combos. Then later Floyd thinks his losing some rounds and try to bully Pacquiao by going offensive which Pacquiao likes then that will be the deciding factor... to be continued... I think Pac wins. If you disagree then wait until May 2. lol!

[therealpugilist]

Your comparing the worst fighter pacquiao has faced in 10 years to an average mayweather opponent. Sure Rios wasn't a top 10 welterweight, but he was top 10 at 140 when pacquiao faced him, and was also king at 135. Yes Alvarado had been in a few wars, but that doesn't mean you cant take a punch all of a sudden. Provodnikov made him quit and beat him bad, why couldn't Marquez if Provo had softened his chin? Rios just straight beat the crap out of mike Alvarado. Pacquiao taking rips as a tune up fight back then is like someone such as Adrien broker or Keith Thurman taking the toughest test of their careers. Pacquiao was coming off a loss and faced him. Even if you don't like Brandon Rios, so what? Pacquiao did the same thing to Rios as he did to legends of the game (note my signature) and btw, to the earlier poster who asked what does Manny do better than Floyd. Lmao are you serious? How about better punching power and way better footwork for starters. Also more aggression, throws more combos, takes more risks aka has more guts. Pacquiaos chin and defense are also very underated. Manny literally walked into a ped abusing Marquez right hand. When have you seen Manny ever walk into a punch like that? He goes in and out yes, but he's always pretty guarded when he goes in, and hes always throwing a combination which causes the opponent to cover up. Manny walked in without throwing anything as Marquez was throwing a vicious right. That never happens. Also Marquez never had angel heredia before that either, and never had hulk Hogan muscles.

punching more doesn't mean better.....QUALITY>Quantity Mayweather lands 50% or more of his punches....whats more impressive throwing 1000 and landing 250 or throwing 600 and 550 and landing 300?


Aggression is good when its effective, not aimlessly throwing and following a guy around missing shots

He has more guts? why because he gets knockout and goes for knockouts


I'd rather be the guy winning than getting a pat on the back for being "brave"


Manny does not have better footwork, if he did he wouldn't

lift his left foot everytime he attempts a straight left...

he doesn't cut of the ring well...

.go watch his fights with Algieri, Bradley, and Mosely....that's a part of footwork....fighting forward, backwards and laterally....Pacquaio has great lateral footwork but he isn't adept and moving forward or fighting backwards

[therealpugilist]

Your logic doesnt matter. Or what you say is fact. Rios and Maidan are the same type of opposition. Any and every fighter he fought that was of any thing worth considered a top guy...He lost too. If you consider Broners over rated ass a top guy well than you have issues.

Floyd twice Khan Alexander and Kotelnik (who) all lost too. Other than that his resume mimics Rios opposition P4P! So what it was at WW or JrWW or LW Rios at WW has nothing to do with Rios at JR WW or LW or whatever. He still falls in with the same opposition.

Bro they are welterweights...so the weight class does matter


I know what I said doesn't support your agenda, but your or my opinion don't change the facts....Maidana is a top ten welterweight.... and Rios is not

Case closed

[jjsmyth87]

Any fighter can be upset....it doesn't take a great fighter to beat a great fighter

Did Pacquaio ever beat Marquez clearly and decisively? No... and you know it, you wont admit it

So Tyson wasnt world class because he lost to buster douglass, so he was never elite right?

Lennox Lewis lost to Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall...guess he wasn't world class

Donald Curry wasn't world class cause he lost to Honeyghan

you are correct....Judah was not an A level guy but he was good enough to win the undisputed welterweight title, and won the IBF at 140 before and after that


Being an A level fighter and world class is two totally different things

I don't understand. First you make comparisons between Judah and Lennox Lewis basically saying there in the same league, then you say Judah wasn't A level. You know the difference between Judah and Lewis? Lewis came back like q champ better than ever and continued to dominate until his gift win against klitschko and retired. Guys like Manny and Lewis got beat, and came back and dominated the sport again. What did Judah do after he lost his belts to baldomir? Not much of anything. He won a paper belt and became a good gatekeeper. Since mannys 2 losses as a flyweight, the only guys to ever legit beat Manny were Marquez and Morales. Manny came back and beat Morales in 2 matches where Morales was fighting better than he ever was before in the second fight, and Marquez needed angel heredia and 4 tries to beat Manny and was already beaten 3 times and now wont give Manny a rematch since he does vada testing. People love to say Judah was one of mayweathers best wins, which at the time it was a good win, but in hindsight wasn't really anything special. Just like ledabwa was supposed to be an elite boxer, George foreman said ledwaba was one of the best technical boxers ever, mammy was a 35-1 underdog and beat the crap out of him. Mayweather is only 2-1 over pacquiao, I like my chances alot picking pacquiao.

[jjsmyth87]

Bro they are welterweights...so the weight class does matter


I know what I said doesn't support your agenda, but your or my opinion don't change the facts....Maidana is a top ten welterweight.... and Rios is not

Case closed

Boxrec has Brandon Rios rated number 11 at welterweight and maidana is something like number 9. Wow!!! Such a huge difference in class your right man I'm sorry! Maidana got his ass kicked all over the ring by Devon Alexander. He was literally shut out, didn't win a single round, and hes so much better than Rios? Tell yourself whatever you have to. Rios lost to pacquiao, and Alvarado who he had beaten and beat again. Maidana has like 5 losses. Put all that crap aside, I bet Rios would beat maidana.

[Sup]

i'm tired of this piss drinking ****.

his entire career consists on landing a lucky punch of a reckless defenseless midget.

[PAC-BOY]

punching more doesn't mean better.....QUALITY>Quantity Mayweather lands 50% or more of his punches....whats more impressive throwing 1000 and landing 250 or throwing 600 and 550 and landing 300?


Aggression is good when its effective, not aimlessly throwing and following a guy around missing shots

He has more guts? why because he gets knockout and goes for knockouts


I'd rather be the guy winning than getting a pat on the back for being "brave"


Manny does not have better footwork, if he did he wouldn't

lift his left foot everytime he attempts a straight left...

he doesn't cut of the ring well...

.go watch his fights with Algieri, Bradley, and Mosely....that's a part of footwork....fighting forward, backwards and laterally....Pacquaio has great lateral footwork but he isn't adept and moving forward or fighting backwards

Boy youre on a roll. The funny thing is you start off with sense and then common sense fly out the ***ing window.

Throwing punches...its called letting your hands go. Its what every corner screams to their fighter. I guess youre so focused on Floyds accuracy with his minimum punch output that you forgot HOW he is so accurate. By fighters who DONT THROW PUNCHES!!!!! In order to land you have to be set to punch! You cant be set to punch while youre trying to block and duck and clinch and dodge an onslaught of punches from your opponent.

Floyd is looking good against Canelo Cotto Guerrero Ortiz. He has never faced a guy who throws FAST combos or a fighter who throws 1000+ punches in a fight. So of course he looks good and it works well in his favor. Not to mention the other advantages he has in and out the ring like Judges and refs ring size and big gloves...That he dont mind using himself to protect his fragile hands.