Why does Ward-stans want GGG to move up?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

well hopkins really didn't clinch anywhere near guys like ward or wlad. the clinching in that fight was blown out of proportion by people like you to make excuses for calzaghe's terrible performance but now you are defending clinching which is strange. in fact calzaghe clinched far more against lacy than hopkins did against calzaghe but i didn't hear you complaining then either. you seem to be selectively complaining based on who is doing it.

Hopkins-Calzaghe represented a slow dance for the majority of the fight. Slap flurry, single right hand, clinch. Slap furry, single right hand, clinch. Rinse and repeat.

Where have I complained about clinching? It's YOU who brought it up. I'm just pointing out that you're clearly not consistent. You only bring it up when it doesn't go well for one of your "Power" guys like Matthysse or Golovkin.

[Jim Jeffries]

I'm not a Ward fan. I don't care if he gets KTFO. I find him pretty insufferable to watch but I think it's an interesting fight that needs to happen.

Fail

Why would it need to be at a catchweight when the other fights I mentioned are being proposed for 168lbs?

Because only an idiot would move up in weight and fight the top guy in the division, maybe in all of boxing, in his very first fight. Especially when he has more lucrative propositions in his natural weight class.

Froch and Chavez are guys that GGG has enough of a talent advantage over that he could fight them without growing into SMW. They would be far more entertaining and obviously winnable than a Ward fight. And would make a Ward fight that much bigger, say if GGG were to stop Froch.

You sure seem to be spending considerable time and energy in defense of Ward for someone who's not a fan. I don't buy it.

[#1Assassin]

there are some good fights at 168 for ward, i dont really see any fights for golovkin at 160. plus golvkins people keep talking about how he could beat anyone at 168, if you are going to talk the talk you should walk the walk. ward and his people on the other hand have stated he needs a bit more time to grow into the 175 division, but he will move up eventually. thats fair enough.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Because only an idiot would move up in weight and fight the top guy in the division, maybe in all of boxing, in his very first fight. Especially when he has more lucrative propositions in his natural weight class.

Froch and Chavez are guys that GGG has enough of a talent advantage over that he could fight them without growing into SMW. They would be far more entertaining and obviously winnable than a Ward fight. And would make a Ward fight that much bigger, say if GGG were to stop Froch.

You sure seem to be spending considerable time and energy in defense of Ward for someone who's not a fan. I don't buy it.

Ok....it doesn't have to be his very first fight at the weight but don't bring out all this puussy **** about a catchweight.

And also tell your team to stop saying you'll murder everyone at from 154-168...unless they include *Disclaimer* "We won't fight Ward in our first fight and it has to be a catchweight"

[HanzGruber]

A catchweight would prove one thing - Golovkin is petrified. It also proves his fans are bricking it.

This is the same guy who signed to fight Chavez Jr at 168lbs. His manager has said they would fight Carl Froch at 168lbs.

But the Ward fight needs a catchweight? Wow...total PR disaster for the supposed most feared man in boxing.

Pretty much this. Hell fight Chavez jr tomorrow but not ward lol. 160 is weak as hell

[vorgaphe]

This whole discussion is pointless until Ward actually gets back into the ring, when that happens we can talk about a Golovkin - Ward fight.

[The Big Dunn]

Because only an idiot would move up in weight and fight the top guy in the division, maybe in all of boxing, in his very first fight. Especially when he has more lucrative propositions in his natural weight class.

Froch and Chavez are guys that GGG has enough of a talent advantage over that he could fight them without growing into SMW. They would be far more entertaining and obviously winnable than a Ward fight. And would make a Ward fight that much bigger, say if GGG were to stop Froch.

You sure seem to be spending considerable time and energy in defense of Ward for someone who's not a fan. I don't buy it.

GGG wouldn't be the 1st boxer who did that. Part of Floyd and Manny being so great are the wins against Castillo and Barrera-the best guy in the division in their 1st fight. ODH and Hatton as well but to a lesser degree.

Duran going up to fight Leonard and many others. I'm not suggesting GGG has to go this route, but great fighters do this. Its not unfair to ask him to do it too.

[daggum]

Hopkins-Calzaghe represented a slow dance for the majority of the fight. Slap flurry, single right hand, clinch. Slap furry, single right hand, clinch. Rinse and repeat.

Where have I complained about clinching? It's YOU who brought it up. I'm just pointing out that you're clearly not consistent. You only bring it up when it doesn't go well for one of your "Power" guys like Matthysse or Golovkin.

so its ok to clinch if you throw in a lot of slappy punches as well? where have you complained about clinching? do we have to go back to the calzaghe-hopkins wars? for me i never liked clinching but i have become even harsher on it and the reason for that is because it has became even worse.

the hopkins fight i didn't find particularly egregious in terms of clinching and i've seen it a ton of times. i just watched round 1 of hopkins-calzaghe and being fair there were 3 clinches that hopkins initiated and in calzaghe-lacy round 1 there were at least 8 initiated by calzaghe and a lot of half clinches where calzaghe had one arm behind lacy and was punching with the other. obviously hopkins clinched more later in the fight when he tired but his strategy was not to clinch up calzaghe every time he came close like ward and wlad do.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

so its ok to clinch if you throw in a lot of slappy punches as well? where have you complained about clinching? do we have to go back to the calzaghe-hopkins wars? for me i never liked clinching but i have become even harsher on it and the reason for that is because it has became even worse.

the hopkins fight i didn't find particularly egregious in terms of clinching and i've seen it a ton of times. i just watched round 1 of hopkins-calzaghe and being fair there were 3 clinches that hopkins initiated and in calzaghe-lacy round 1 there were at least 8 initiated by calzaghe and a lot of half clinches where calzaghe had one arm behind lacy and was punching with the other. obviously hopkins clinched more later in the fight when he tired but his strategy was not to clinch up calzaghe every time he came close like ward and wlad do.

I don't like clinching obviously but I don't complain about it to the point where I call for fights not to happen or decisions to be overturned because of it. I understand and accept it as part of what goes on.

You don't mind it in some instances but vociferously complain about it when it happens against guys like Matthysse and Golovkin.

Like I said, it's Freedom-esque. You're going to look pretty ****** if Ward goes in there and boxes Golovkin's **** off without clinching. Then you'll probably complain about something else like "running".

[jas]

Chavez Jr I'm sure has tested positive for banned substances and not just weed. Froch can be very dirty in the ring.

The excuses are there to mask the fear.

Yet you feel a froch vs Chaves jr match up is fine

Smh