Comments Thread For: CBS Sports/PBC Deal Revealed: Stevenson-Bika, More

[big_james10]

Some of the people who post on this site boggle my mind. Some of the people on this site are so hell bent on attacking Mayweather that you would rather shoot your own di..ks off rather than piss in the same urinal as Mayweather.

Haymon is offering boxing fans something along the lines of 60 or 70 boxing matches in 2015 and 2016. Some of them will feature quality matchups like Guerrero/Thurman and Garcia/Peterson while others will feature the type of crappy mismatches that we have grown accustomed to seeing on HBO and Showtime.

Yet, the critics are so hell bent on criticizing Haymon because of his association with Mayweather, you refuse to acknowledge or appreciate the fact that Haymon will provide the type of quality fights that boxing fans have been asking for for years with his new programming. Instead, you make ridiculous comments like he can't sustain this type of programming and it will hurt boxing in the long run. Who the f....k cares if the program lasts? We are getting quality fights in the short term and that is all that matters to us, whether we want to admit it or not? And boxing can't be hurt anymore than it has been in the last five years with crappy matchups from promoters and cable channels.

What some of you are doing with these ignorant, lame attacks on Haymon is the equivalent of winning the lottery and spending more time bitc.hing and griping about the taxes than would come out of your winnings than you would celebrating your newfound fortune.

[MasterPlan]

Kell Brook vs. Jo Jo Dan also on March 28 on Showtime. Same date at Jhonny/Russell and Je.Charlo/Vanes Jo Jo is Haymon also. Will it get addes to the telecast?

[Mitchell Kane]

The UFC made the mistake of not only taking the $100m per year, allegedly, content deal from but also continuing on with their 12-15 show PPV schedule. You add that the UFC has done a terrible job of establishing new stars.

Floyd Mayweather Jr is the only fighter with Haymon, right now, that demands PPV fights. Beyond that, there are also certain showdowns that require PPV (Froch-Chavez/Khan-Brook doubleheader, Stevenson-Kovalev/Pascal, Wilder-Klistchko, etc).

Every other fight card in the Haymon universe can be put together with a $1m-$3m budget. Haymon gets a deal like what the UFC got, uses the shows to build up a handful of PPV fights, and even some PPV stars.

supplement the content deal with 4-5 PPV fights, and you don't end up over-saturating the audience like the UFC has.

What you've done, in listing fights like Froch-Chavez Jr., Stevenson-Kovalev, Klitschko-Wilder, is illustrate one of the key differences between the UFC and Haymon.

The UFC is in a position of near total dominance of the MMA market and MMA talent pool.

The UFC doesn't have to work with other promoters to make MMA fights the equivalent of Froch-JCC Jr., Stevenson-Kovalev, Klitschko-Wilder.

Haymon does.

You can add Mayweather-Pacquiao, Mayweather-Cotto II, Mayweather-Alvarez II to the list of fights that Haymon can't make on his own.

So why would a network give Haymon $100 million if Haymon can't provide the same caliber of fights that the UFC can?

Haymon also can't offer the same kind of content the UFC can, because the PBC hasn't been around for two decades, and doesn't have the back catalog of fights and features that they can offer.

It would take years for Haymon to build up that same level of content with the PBC.

And it still has to be seen whether the PBC can generate the same kind of audience that the UFC has, and not just on network television.

[Death_Adder]

Are you Oscar De La Hoya's son?

Are you Hymen's **** rag? Or the guy that licks Hymen's cum stains from his ******'s ass?

*****

[Scipio2009]

What you've done, in listing fights like Froch-Chavez Jr., Stevenson-Kovalev, Klitschko-Wilder, is illustrate one of the key differences between the UFC and Haymon.

The UFC is in a position of near total dominance of the MMA market and MMA talent pool.

The UFC doesn't have to work with other promoters to make MMA fights the equivalent of Froch-JCC Jr., Stevenson-Kovalev, Klitschko-Wilder.

Haymon does.

You can add Mayweather-Pacquiao, Mayweather-Cotto II, Mayweather-Alvarez II to the list of fights that Haymon can't make on his own.

So why would a network give Haymon $100 million if Haymon can't provide the same caliber of fights that the UFC can?

Haymon also can't offer the same kind of content the UFC can, because the PBC hasn't been around for two decades, and doesn't have the back catalog of fights and features that they can offer.

It would take years for Haymon to build up that same level of content with the PBC.

And it still has to be seen whether the PBC can generate the same kind of audience that the UFC has, and not just on network television.

Haymon apparently has signed +170 fighters, with countless other affiliated with him via his working relationships (Beterbiev-GYM, Froch/DeGale/Joshua-Matchroom, etc).

You look at whatever boxing rankings that you trust, division by division, and you can clearly see that Haymon has access to near 50% of the top 15 fighters (at some weights, that number even gets near 75%), while also being home to the vast majority of the top prospects in boxing.

Haymon can work with the fighters that he has signed, through the promoters that he's friendly with, and not be forced to do a darned thing (sidenote: the Pacquiao fight is currently being negotiated, and Cotto has been sharp enough to not have himself tied down into any sticky situations that would bar him from opportunities. An Alvarez rematch is murkier, but even that is possible, for the simple fact that you could be looking at another $200m in fight revenue).

And the hangup about the lack of content is silly; CBS/Showtime has basically been the default outlet for Haymon for the last 3 years (there is also a ton of Haymon-affiliated content on ESPN). If the need arises to air the old fights, Haymon needs to sit for one conversation with one conduit. (Haymon still has a stellar relationship with Showtime/CBS).

Boxing has a near 100 year history, with ebbs and flows along the way, of succeeding with the audience. The TV history is shorter, but not by all that much.

Babies are born with the inate ability to ball up their fists. To try and act as if there's no track record for boxing is foolish.

[Mitchell Kane]

And the hangup about the lack of content is silly; CBS/Showtime has basically been the default outlet for Haymon for the last 3 years

Golden Boy was the promoter for most of those shows.

Does Haymon have the rights to those fights?

[IMDAZED]

Golden Boy was the promoter for most of those shows.

Does Haymon have the rights to those fights?

Well none of us know how that was worked out. But I'd bet Schafer and Haymon worked very closely on items related to their fighters.

[Mitchell Kane]

Haymon apparently has signed +170 fighters

I love how people keep repeating that 170 number and acting like it means something.

Most of the names are filler who have no audience.

[The Big Dunn]

The excitement you see isn't because people think it's a new concept. It's because it's an old one that works. Case in point: YOU grew up watching it, according to your post.

And not toward you specifically but it's ridiculous to pretend every fight has to be Corrales-Castillo I or this will fail. Yes, not every network fighter in the 80's and 90's were pound for pounders. But the increased visibility helped them which, in turn, helped the sport. Guys like Witherspoon, and Gamache etc. Oh, and the Chavez's, Nelson's, etc. too. If it does flop, then it flops. But side eye to any "fan" who comes across a little salty after reading the news.

Great point dazed. It's so annoying when posters place the expectation on only one person putting on shows to have every fight be that level or else they will say it sucks or fails. It's like these posters have watched only the greatest fights ever and nothing else.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Haymon hasn't been around for 15 years in the public conversation; if you're desperate enough to want to count a manager of a single fighter as being influential, that's your own prerogative.

And yes, I do want you to name 10 great fights, preferably from after Haymon helped Mayweather buy out his deal with Top Rank and get the De La Hoya fight in 2007.

since it's only 10, you should have no issues with such an easy task.

Cotto Mosley
Cotto Margarito
Cotto Pacquiao
Pacquiao Marquez II
Pacquiao Marquez III
Pacquiao Marquez IV
Ruslan Bradley
Lopez Salido
Lopez Salido II
Pavlik Taylor
Torres Holt
Alvarado Rios


Shall I go back further than 2007?