Duran-Leonard 2..was this running or master boxing

[Ham Porter]

Duran quit, no one made him. He wasn't hurn and he wasn't loosing by a wide if any margin

He quit because of his own inability to deal with what was in front of him, and by his own account didn't want to risk getting hurt or risk getting stopped. Every fighter that quits in a fight does so on his own account.

In my book, this win is overrated. The fight was at about its midpoint and it was close when Duran quit.

Americans spun this into a boxing lesson when it was far from it. Duran just didn't want to take part in the game Leonard was playing and said "F this guy. I'll get him in the rubber match."

Too bad it didn't happen until it didn't matter anymore.

Speaking of spin.

If that was Duran's angle, why did he immediately retire following the fight?

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[Ham Porter]

You can easily say that Duran is greater because he actually took on the real challenges.

Leonard waited out Hagler, forced Duran into the 2nd fight in unfavorable conditions for Duran, and overall just didn't fight enough. He only really fought until he was 26 years old, after that it was just fighting here and there for money.

Duran is EASILY the greater fighter. He moved through more weight classes, fought people in their prime and on their terms, and was just a born fighter. He had masterful skills in both offense and defense and would come to win most of the time.

Leonard fought approximately eight top ten ranked contenders before he even contended for a title, fought Benitez, Duran 2x, Kalule & Hearns all within under a two year period - if you seriously think that's the record of someone who shirks "real challenges", you're either a moron of the highest calibre or an emotionally-damaged little girl that's incapable of rational, impartial thought.

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

Why can't we have one thread on NSB without Floyd's name being mentioned?

This was a good topic to have a legitimate boxing discussion and it got ruined 2 pages in.

they ruin everything i hardly even comment because of those clowns

[Ljc]

[QUOTE=Norm Peterson;15373643]He quit because of his own inability to deal with what was in front of him, and by his own account didn't want to risk getting hurt or risk getting stopped. Every fighter that quits in a fight does so on his own account.


How can you say Duran couldn't cope with what was in front of him when the fight was close? I suppose you could say he couldn't cope with the clowning if that's what you mean?

[Ham Porter]

[QUOTE=Ljc;15373733]

He quit because of his own inability to deal with what was in front of him, and by his own account didn't want to risk getting hurt or risk getting stopped. Every fighter that quits in a fight does so on his own account.


How can you say Duran couldn't cope with what was in front of him when the fight was close? I suppose you could say he couldn't cope with the clowning if that's what you mean?

No, I mean he could do nothing to negate Leonard that night. Winning two relatively unconvincing rounds doesn't change the fact that he was incapable of pinning Leonard down on the ropes and mounting any serious of significant damage.

And if it was a simple matter of clowning ( @ that being a valid reason for quitting in the middle of a fight) then why were Edwin Viruet's mugging antics - far more excessive & consistent than Leonard's - so utterly futile?

[Ljc]

[QUOTE=Norm Peterson;15373783]

No, I mean he could do nothing to negate Leonard that night. Winning two relatively unconvincing rounds doesn't change the fact that he was incapable of pinning Leonard down on the ropes and mounting any serious of significant damage.

And if it was a simple matter of clowning ( @ that being a valid reason for quitting in the middle of a fight) then why were Edwin Viruet's mugging antics - far more excessive & consistent than Leonard's - so utterly futile?

I'm not defending Duran for quiting, I don't think there's any valid reason for quiting except serious injury. I just don't think Duran quit because he was loosing, he lost to dejesus earlier in his career and fought till the end. There's no reason to think it was impossible for him to go on and win that fight?

[KayDub]

Leonard fought approximately eight top ten ranked contenders before he even contended for a title, fought Benitez, Duran 2x, Kalule & Hearns all within under a two year period - if you seriously think that's the record of someone who shirks "real challenges", you're either a moron of the highest calibre or an emotionally-damaged little girl that's incapable of rational, impartial thought.

No coherent argument so ad hominems attacks.

I've always given him credit for Benitez and Hearns. He lost to Duran and then just ****ed around with him the second fight.

The problem is that you pretty much just mentioned his whole career.

[Ham Porter]

[QUOTE=Ljc;15373984]

I'm not defending Duran for quiting, I don't think there's any valid reason for quiting except serious injury. I just don't think Duran quit because he was loosing, he lost to dejesus earlier in his career and fought till the end. There's no reason to think it was impossible for him to go on and win that fight?

If he genuinely felt that way, there'd be no incentive for him to quit.

No coherent argument so ad hominems attacks.

I've always given him credit for Benitez and Hearns. He lost to Duran and then just ****ed around with him the second fight.

The problem is that you pretty much just mentioned his whole career.

That's a stronger three year run than any other fighter of the last four decades, with the sole exception of Ali from the early 70's. He beat more ranked contenders, unified the division and faced every major threat (unlike Duran, who blatantly ducked Rodolfo Gonzalez and took years to unify the division) within that weight class in that time.

Problem is, you've got nothing of substance to counter any of this, because you're a complete and utter spacker.

[Szef]

to be honest, i think it was more duran who lost that fight than srl who won it.

sure, leonard made some adjustments after the first fight, but the second encounter wasn't as one sided as majority of people say it was.

bad training camp, cutting 50+ lbs, plus i think duran just wasn't mentally there.

i give all the credit to srl, but if their prime versions fought 10 times, duran would've won 6-7 out of 10 times.