Putting Floyd in his Place

[IMDAZED]

I think Mayweather and Pacquiao could potentially break top 10. They've both had incredible careers. One or two big wins could seal the deal but who am I to say?

[joseph5620]

This isn***8217;t a Mayweather-Pacquiao discussion so mods don***8217;t delete. It isn***8217;t a thread about me nor any other poster either so try not to keep take it there.

The poster ***8220;Malcolm***8221; made a really good point in another thread that got me thinking. I remember watching Floyd Mayweather fighting Louie Leija on what I believe was the Morales-Zaragoza undercard (wow***8230;who could***8217;ve imagined known what was to come for both of those guys? Shout out to Bob Arum). I also remember being extremely impressed with the number Mayweather did on Genaro Hernandez. I was still in my teens then. 17 years later, I'm a married man. And this dude is still undefeated.

Not a Marciano kind of undefeated either. Even if he had a loss or two, Mayweather***8217;s resume would still trump Rocky***8217;s resume handily. Some would point to fights that could have been made but you can say that about anyone. The fact that he***8217;s remained undefeated in the fights that have been made is ridiculous. Hernandez, Manfredy, Corrales, Castillo, a prime Corley, Judah, Gatti, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Cotto, Alvarez, etc. etc. That is one hell of a resume. And if he faces and beat Pacquiao well then he can call himself whatever he wants. But in the meantime, looking at it objectively in 2015, where do you think Floyd Mayweather stands in the boxing annals? Top 25? Higher? Lower? What would he need to do in order to stamp himself as a top 10 fighter? Or is that out of the question?

I would say top 25 right now with an opportunity to move higher to top 15 if he beats Pacquiao and another top fighter after that. But top 10 appears unbreakable right now. That's pretty much an exclusive list.


Definitely an all time great. That's not debatable as I see it. Sugar Ray Leonard has an interesting view of Mayweather's career.

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[BattlingNelson]

I dont necessarily agree with that. At some point in boxing's future an undeniable talent who takes on everyone will come around.

Would help if boxing garnered more attention. Maybe this network deall will help.

Of course you shall never say never, but those guys from the past like Robinson, Greb, Gans etc. had so many fights against so many greats that it's mindboggling. At this day and age it is just not possible to make all those big fights in one career.

[IMDAZED]

I would say top 25 right now with an opportunity to move higher to top 15 if he beats Pacquiao and another top fighter after that. But top 10 appears unbreakable right now. That's pretty much an exclusive list.


Definitely an all time great. That's not debatable as I see it. Sugar Ray Leonard has an interesting view of Mayweather's career.

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What is it about the top 10 that no one can break it? No one ever again in the future of boxing. It's impossible for a guy like Manny Pacquiao, who has moved through like 9 divisions and beaten a bunch of champs to break it? Or a Floyd who's beaten a who's who for nearly 20 years? I don't think I'm equipped to make a Top 10 list but those two might be the best of my lifetime.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I would say top 25 right now with an opportunity to move higher to top 15 if he beats Pacquiao and another top fighter after that. But top 10 appears unbreakable right now. That's pretty much an exclusive list.


Definitely an all time great. That's not debatable as I see it. Sugar Ray Leonard has an interesting view of Mayweather's career.

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I sometimes think Leonard is too honest, damn

[BigZigga]

Went on to my old YT account, remembered my password, came across this which was in my favorites



Amazing really. Also have a video in my favorites, very little views, Mayweather confidently giving out how he intends to approach Pacquiao in the ring.

I'm interested in seeing that vid on pac if you have a link

[Doctor_Tenma]

I'm interested in seeing that vid on pac if you have a link

Not to be an *******, like that kid that doesn't like to share but I'd only share that with a select few, I actually think Mayweather may have been careless releasing that. In fact, due to how he went at Sr. even he would admit RIGHT now he was being careless.

[SergioMartinez]

What is it about the top 10 that no one can break it? No one ever again in the future of boxing. It's impossible for a guy like Manny Pacquiao, who has moved through like 9 divisions and beaten a bunch of champs to break it? Or a Floyd who's beaten a who's who for nearly 20 years? I don't think I'm equipped to make a Top 10 list but those two might be the best of my lifetime.

I do agree, for both Pac and Floyd.

And lets be real, even if Floyd was a cherry picking coward like some say, even in those 20 years your bound to take a bite of a wrong cherry..

So If we were making list, Im sure I could probably squeeze them somewhere in the top 30. The top 10 is where it gets hard.

[arraamis]

Really funny!!!!

[joseph5620]

What is it about the top 10 that no one can break it? No one ever again in the future of boxing. It's impossible for a guy like Manny Pacquiao, who has moved through like 9 divisions and beaten a bunch of champs to break it? Or a Floyd who's beaten a who's who for nearly 20 years? I don't think I'm equipped to make a Top 10 list but those two might be the best of my lifetime.

You make a good point about the top 10 and honestly I wouldn't argue against it if Mayweather closes his career impressively. When I said unbreakable I was generally talking about the general perception.


For me to argue against those two a lot of it has to do with the multiple belts that there are today. Those usually recognized the top ten were undisputed champions.

For example, when Pacquiao won belts at 135 and 154 he didn't beat the best fighter in the division. In fact he didn't even bear a top jr middleweight at 154.

Mayweather and Pacquiao are the two best fighters in the division. Floyd has to beat Manny to even be in the discussion for top 10. He has to beat the next best guy to put a stamp on being the undisputed best in the division. I believe he is but he has to prove it.

I also look at the weight situation. Robinson fought an all time great middleweight five times while he was still a welterweight winning 4 of them.

Greb, Fitzsimmons, Charles and Langford were middleweights fighting and beating much bigger quality fighters.

A lot of these fighters fought and won well over 100 fights. I know things are different today but it's hard for me to overlook that type of longevity and durability.

Then I look at fightes like Ali who has wins over three opponents who are generally considered in the top ten all time at heavyweight.


Roberto Duran's had an incredible career as did Sugar Ray Leonard.


Archie Moore had more knockouts than any fighter in history (131) and fought at the top well into his forties.

Then you have Fighters like Jofre, the Whitake, Pep, Louis, Monzon, Hagler.

Ranking fighters in an all time list is difficult when you compare fighters on that level because it's subjective. Unless someone is being completely ridiculous I won't argue about it.

Mayweather's career is still in progress and something can happen that would universally place him on the top 10. Mayweather and Pacquiao are two of the best in my lifetime as well.