Putting Floyd in his Place

[V.WEBB]

You said Maidana could have arguably got a draw, so why doesn't the rematch qualify as a risk?

I laugh at the bold, as though it's a cool thing to say. Mayweather has the same fighter's mentality and it keeps showing.

Right. The rematch was just for show...or dough. Not risk, though.

[V.WEBB]

One thing I will tell you. Is that Floyd gets penalized for close fights against top contenders like Castillo and Maidana. While ATGs get passes for losses against bums.

Yes. This is how it goes.

[joseph5620]

One thing I will tell you. Is that Floyd gets penalized for close fights against top contenders like Castillo and Maidana. While ATGs get passes for losses against bums.

That's true. As great as Duran was, he has some embarrassing and totally one sided losses on his resume. Which includes Kirkland Laing who made Maidana look like Sugar Ray Robinson. Also Benitez who totally dominated and embarrassed Duran.

[Larry the boss]

You can't argue that Ray Robinson the greatest fighter of all time wasn't utterly dominated by Ralph Tiger Jones who was an actual journeyman. Not a world champion like Maidana. An actual journeyman.

Ray Robinson had the speed advantage in every fight he had aswell.

Also to say he "always had the upper hand" is also not true.

yep..........

[Larry the boss]

One thing I will tell you. Is that Floyd gets penalized for close fights against top contenders like Castillo and Maidana. While ATGs get passes for losses against bums.

yep............

[The Big Dunn]

That's true. As great as Duran was, he has some embarrassing and totally one sided losses on his resume. Which includes Kirkland Laing who made Maidana look like Sugar Ray Robinson. Also Benitez who totally dominated and embarrassed Duran.

Also esteban de jesus-he gave duran his 1st loss.

[IMDAZED]

Back then Corely was a good, tough fighter. He had just lost to Zab Judah who had been KOd by Tszyu not long before. He was also a southpaw with good power and Floyd's first fight at 140 pounds. A fight where Corely tested and hurt Floyd pretty good. Corley went on a span of fighting Zab, Floyd, and a young Cotto. He lost those fights but has his moments in all of them. Hell, I still think they stopped the Cotto fight much too early. He hurt Cotto bad in that fight.

But anyways, Looking at Corely NOW or what became of his career, it's easy to bash the win. But in context, it was a good win. Not great, or fantastic, but good.

Some people don't realize that when you start comparing greats, you have to not only look at the top-end but also the contenders they fought.

[Scott9945]

I don't follow.

Maidana was a world champion when he fought Floyd.

Ralph Tiger Jones was a literal journeyman.

And he dominated Robinson.

Jones came into the Robinson fight with 5 straight losses. That should clear up any comparisons to Marcos Maidana.

[IronDanHamza]

Jones came into the Robinson fight with 5 straight losses. That should clear up any comparisons to Marcos Maidana.

Of course.

You can't compare Tiger Jones to Maidana they're completely different levels.

It's funny that Floyd get's critisized for having an "arguable draw" with Maidana yet the greatest fighter of all time was dominated by Jones, who again was an actual journeyman.

That's like Floyd getting dominated 12-0 by Rod Salka.

Imagine that.

[V.WEBB]

Some people don't realize that when you start comparing greats, you have to not only look at the top-end but also the contenders they fought.

Absolutely. But some people aren't really genuine when assessing his career. I mean, I've seen and heard guys say he's never beat ANYONE and that he ducked all the best fights in his career. I'm like, ok, have a good day, sir.