Comments Thread For: DeGale: I Think Froch Ducked Me, But I'm Moving On

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Joe talked about it before moving up in weight to fight BHop. Froch could have/ would have/ should have.... blah blah. He didn't because he wasn't at the point of seriously considering retirement, so he fought Groves, his mandatory. He's now at the same point Calzaghe was at, hence vacating rather than facing DeGale.

The would haves and could haves are significant because he didn't. He didn't do what Calzaghe did. You've somehow ******edly convinced yourself otherwise so I'm not going to continue this ludicrous back n forth. You're basically saying black is white here.

[Wicky]

The would haves and could haves are significant because he didn't. He didn't do what Calzaghe did. You've somehow ******edly convinced yourself otherwise so I'm not going to continue this ludicrous back n forth. You're basically saying black is white here.

No, I'm just being specific and you can't handle it.

If Froch had come along earlier in Calazghe's career they would have fought. He didn't... he came along as Joe was looking for the big pay exit. Groves was mandatory at a point in Froch's career where Carl wasn't looking for the big pay exit yet. He is now, hence DeGale has lost out in exactly the same way to Froch as Froch did to Calzaghe.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

No, I'm just being specific and you can't handle it.

If Froch had come along earlier in Calazghe's career they would have fought. He didn't... he came along as Joe was looking for the big pay exit. Groves was mandatory at a point in Froch's career where Carl wasn't looking for the big pay exit yet. He is now, hence DeGale has lost out in exactly the same way to Froch as Froch did to Calzaghe.

Froch didn't want to fight Groves. He was looking for bigger fights. Why the hell would any fighter NOT be looking for a bigger money fight at any point in their career? Just dumb what you're saying here.

[Wicky]

Froch didn't want to fight Groves. He was looking for bigger fights. Why the hell would any fighter NOT be looking for a bigger money fight at any point in their career? Just dumb what you're saying here.

Obviously all fighters want the big fights, that’s not the point I was making. I’ve already said that Froch thought the Groves fight was beneath him and didn’t want it, but he took the fight because Groves was mandatory and Froch wasn’t at the point of seriously considering retirement so wasn’t prepared to surrender his belt.

He is now heading for retirement so he making choices based on different criteria: exclusively what makes most financial sense.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Obviously all fighters want the big fights, that’s not the point I was making. I’ve already said that Froch thought the Groves fight was beneath him and didn’t want it, but he took the fight because Groves was mandatory and Froch wasn’t at the point of seriously considering retirement so wasn’t prepared to surrender his belt.

He is now heading for retirement so he making choices based on different criteria: exclusively what makes most financial sense.

The point is that he could have easily done that if he'd wanted to. He could've took the Calzaghe route. The fact that he didn't means he did what Calzaghe didn't do. He was 37 years old, he would have definitely had retirement on his mind.

Anyway I'm done. Just a dumb circular argument.

[Wicky]

The point is that he could have easily done that if he'd wanted to. He could've took the Calzaghe route. The fact that he didn't means he did what Calzaghe didn't do. He was 37 years old, he would have definitely had retirement on his mind.

Anyway I'm done. Just a dumb circular argument.

Age isn’t the issue. You’ve just introduced that because you’re just looking for a way out. Some boxers continue for a long time, whereas others quit early. B-Hop’s 50 and still fighting at the top level!

Froch wasn’t at the point of his career where vacating made sense. He is now, the same as Calzaghe was. Say whatever you want but that’s just how it is… hence why he vacated the belt.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Age isn’t the issue. You’ve just introduced that because you’re just looking for a way out. Some boxers continue for a long time, whereas others quit early. B-Hop’s 50 and still fighting at the top level!

Froch wasn’t at the point of his career where vacating made sense. He is now, the same as Calzaghe was. Say whatever you want but that’s just how it is… hence why he vacated the belt.

Froch considered retirement after Ward. He said he'd retire if he lost to Bute. He said he would retire if he got robbed against Kessler. But you will interpret it as something else

It's all moot anyway. Whether he was or wasn't considering retirement isn't even the point. He didn't have to fight Groves but he did. So he did what Calzaghe didn't do. End of story.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Vacating didn't make sense? LOL....so Groves was the biggest fight out there for him?

Ridiculous

[Wicky]

...He didn't have to fight Groves....

He did if he wanted to retain the title, and obviously he wanted to retain the title. Calzaghe didn't. Froch doesn't now.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He did if he wanted to retain the title, and obviously he wanted to retain the title. Calzaghe didn't. Froch doesn't now.

But he didn't need the title. Why the hell would he? He gave Groves the opportunity. Calzaghe didn't give Froch the opportunity.