Where do these guys get their punching power?

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  • FerFAL
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    #31
    I know its not technique. If it was it could be vastly improved in the gym and that isnt the case. Its the kind of thing you're born with.
    Originally posted by Elroy1
    Yeah I'd say big fists+wrists definitely help with power.

    My uncles were thrashing machines and they both had massive hands.
    No, lots of big handed boxer out there that have no power.
    Intersting topic though, I'm leaning towards genetics and natural selection.

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    • LennoxLewisGOAt
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      #32
      punchers are born not made

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      • kadyo's
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        #33
        Originally posted by joesaiditstrue
        big bones in general, i.e. bone density

        not trying to come across as a know it all, as i don't know this for certain

        but Lucas and GGG's forearms are large for their weight class compared to other guys, if you're hitting somebody with good punching technique and there's more mass inside your arm than someone else with equal punching technique, then



        Yes, Newton's 2nd law of motions, F=ma, where F is force, m is mass and a is acceleration. This means that the greater the mass, the greater the force, also the greater acceleration, the greater the acceleration.

        Question is mass of what? mass of the fighter's fist or mass of the fighter? No matter which, it will be constant unlike acceleration.

        Maybe looking at acceleration will give us the answer but this is purely my own opinion. Acceleration can be increased or decreased. A jab has less acceleration than a power punch so a power punch has more force, so the real question is how to increase the acceleration?

        A power punch is actually coming from the ground then travels through joints and muscles all the way to the fist, which will make contact. I mean try power punching someone while sitting down, it won't result into much force.

        My idea is that all movements of the body muscles and joints coming from the ground all the way to the fist must be properly coordinated in order to come up with maximum acceleration, taking into account that your feet movement is independent of your arm movement so foot - arm coordination also plays a very important role.

        Boxers' punches are measured through psi, which is pound per square inches, psi is actually a unit of pressure, the formula of which is P=F/A. Now, I don't want to trouble you further by explaining the pressure aspect of a punch lol.

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        • betmen
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          #34
          Originally posted by LennoxLewisGOAt
          punchers are born not made
          LoL at this kind of remarks.

          Tommy hearns was so feather fisted at amateur he only have 10 K.O from 180+ bout, when he turn pro manny steward train him so when he shot that right hand he put his entire arm lenght to it, i heard in one of Manny steward interview the key is Tommy hearns feets, i assume is in his footwork and positioning.

          so yes you can train to become a power puncher.

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            #35
            Originally posted by betmen
            LoL at this kind of remarks.

            Tommy hearns was so feather fisted at amateur he only have 10 K.O from 180+ bout, when he turn pro manny steward train him so when he shot that right hand he put his entire arm lenght to it, i heard in one of Manny steward interview the key is Tommy hearns feets, i assume is in his footwork and positioning.

            so yes you can train to become a power puncher.
            So you're saying that Paulie can become a power puncher?

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            • Elroy1
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              #36
              The most precise and descriptive essays on punching power ever written are on expertboxing.

              Why weights wont make you punch harder Part 1 and 2

              and

              The 3 phases of punching power. (which is really part 3).

              Whether you agree or disagree with the weight lifting aspect of these articles is irrelevant, THIS is exactly how punch power mechanics operate and fit in with overall boxing too.

              I think everyone involved in the sport must read these articles.

              F=ma has hardly any relevance to punching power whatsoever. A punch is a transfer of energy resulting from the sudden deceleration and hardening of the punch upon the target (an implosion) not like a throw at all.

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              • betmen
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                #37
                Originally posted by Fists_of_Fury
                So you're saying that Paulie can become a power puncher?
                well maybe is too late for paulie, but we can assume at the early age paulie train not to be a puncher, he love to move around be a boxer and he stick to that routine in his carreer.

                and i agree to some extent big boned guy like tyson or GGG with their's stocky leg and heavy hand are meant to be punchers but there're also guy like hearns who find another way to become a devastating power puncher.

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                • kadyo's
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Elroy1
                  The most precise and descriptive essays on punching power ever written are on expertboxing.

                  Why weights wont make you punch harder Part 1 and 2

                  and

                  The 3 phases of punching power. (which is really part 3).

                  Whether you agree or disagree with the weight lifting aspect of these articles is irrelevant, THIS is exactly how punch power mechanics operate and fit in with overall boxing too.

                  I think everyone involved in the sport must read these articles.

                  F=ma has hardly any relevance to punching power whatsoever. A punch is a transfer of energy resulting from the sudden deceleration and hardening of the punch upon the target (an implosion) not like a throw at all.
                  I became curious with this so I checked it out and here's a summary I found.

                  "Explosive Punching:

                  throws your energy outwards away from your center
                  loosens and releases the punch
                  rotates your slower
                  pulls you off center, off balance
                  uses limb strength from the easily fatigued (explosive muscles)
                  slows your punch recovery because you feel like you have to keep pulling your arms back
                  makes you bounce off your opponent (if he’s better grounded than you are)


                  Implosive Punching:

                  throws your energy inwards into the ground, into the punch
                  compacts and solidifies the punch
                  rotates you faster
                  centers you for better balance
                  uses core strength from the more efficient (implosive muscles)
                  faster/easier punch recovery because the arm power is project inwards and easily bounced off your core
                  creates the best power transfer possible!"

                  See, the difference is one gets you slower while the other one gets you faster, that is, one decelerates while the other accelerates. You know what the implication of that in F=ma?

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                  • Dr Rumack
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                    #39
                    Bio-mechanics.

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                    • kadyo's
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Dr Rumack
                      Bio-mechanics.
                      This is correct but the term is too general to give us an idea on why one has more punching power than the other.

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