Question, why do most people believe Cotto is done?

[Fantasiabruja]

ok.
so basically, the only thing you would challenge in my post, is that some of cottos opposition is being labeled as c level, when that was all that was available?

Actually I don't agree with much of your comment. I did not mean to give the impression that I believe Cotto to be a Sugar Ray Leonard what I meant was that he started his career as a slick boxer puncher and early on favored his boxing abilities over his punching power. He said this much when trying to convince Emanuel to train him he even showed Emanuel many videos of his amateur days and Emanuel was so impressed with his boxing skills he compared them to Sugar Rays. I was watching one of his early fights I think it was on ESPN and the crowed was booing him later I read in the PR paper that he and his uncle had the conversation I wrote of earlier. I followed his career closely because Trinidad was near the end of his and as most Ricans I was curious as to who would fill the void in PR boxing once Trinidad was done. Ricans like Mexican fight fans are ''nationalist'' something we get criticized for often. And what I said happen to Cotto's fighting style throughout the years is not impossible like you suggested. Manny fighters are one dimensional and others are the total opposite hence being able to adjust their styles throughout their careers. That's why some times we use the term that's the old so and so I remember or he went back to basics.

[JuanRakan]

Plain and simple, Cotto is underated because hes not likeable by anyone. PR fans, like Mexican fans are so loyal that they will still pay $ to see him. The facts are the facts, the two main losses that derailed Cotto were Marg and Pac - both of which have major asteriks on them. He gave Floyd a hell of a fight, much better than anyone recently. You can say whatever you want about Sergios legs, they had nothing to do with the massive left hook that knocked his temple out of place in 1 minute. When we talk Cotto, were talking a first ballot hall of famer who was willing to fight ANYBODY and faught with as much balls and heart as anyone. Yes, hes not likeable and took a ****** loss against Trout but as a true boxing fan, you gotta give credit when credit is due.

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Plain and simple, Cotto is underated because hes not likeable by anyone. PR fans, like Mexican fans are so loyal that they will still pay $ to see him. The facts are the facts, the two main losses that derailed Cotto were Marg and Pac - both of which have major asteriks on them. He gave Floyd a hell of a fight, much better than anyone recently. You can say whatever you want about Sergios legs, they had nothing to do with the massive left hook that knocked his temple out of place in 1 minute. When we talk Cotto, were talking a first ballot hall of famer who was willing to fight ANYBODY and faught with as much balls and heart as anyone. Yes, hes not likeable and took a ****** loss against Trout but as a true boxing fan, you gotta give credit when credit is due.

He gave away that "fight anyone" reputation when he won a MW title then refused to fight any MWs and almost immediately started targeting welters.

You know Sergio could barely walk and fell on his ass every time he tried lateral movement but you're as you said just being loyal, so whatever.

[man-of-war]

Actually I don't agree with much of your comment. I did not mean to give the impression that I believe Cotto to be a Sugar Ray Leonard what I meant was that he started his career as a slick boxer puncher and early on favored his boxing abilities over his punching power. He said this much when trying to convince Emanuel to train him he even showed Emanuel many videos of his amateur days and Emanuel was so impressed with his boxing skills he compared them to Sugar Rays. I was watching one of his early fights I think it was on ESPN and the crowed was booing him later I read in the PR paper that he and his uncle had the conversation I wrote of earlier. I followed his career closely because Trinidad was near the end of his and as most Ricans I was curious as to who would fill the void in PR boxing once Trinidad was done. Ricans like Mexican fight fans are ''nationalist'' something we get criticized for often. And what I said happen to Cotto's fighting style throughout the years is not impossible like you suggested. Manny fighters are one dimensional and others are the total opposite hence being able to adjust their styles throughout their careers. That's why some times we use the term that's the old so and so I remember or he went back to basics.

again, you are being very vague, so i will make it easier for you to be specific... or harder for you to be vague.
please just answer these questions.
when has cotto beaten the man considered the bast in any division?
what is easier to prove, martinez had a bad knee vs cotto, or margarito had loaded gloves vs cotto, and which one do you do you believe?
how many welters can you name that became better fighters in their mid 30s than they were in their late 20s?

i dont want explanations why you cant give a simple answer, just the answer without any buts.

[JuanRakan]

Who says hes not willing to fight Middleweights? He hasnt even faught since wining the title. Im not saying he will beat GGG but I bet you he aint scared of him. That I can guarantee. And about Sergio, he totally exposed Sergios lack of fundamentals. Sergio is a great fighter, especially given that everything he achived was with no amateur background - purely athleticism, heart and will. Guys like that dont beat the Cottos of the world unless they can knock them out. In terms of all time rankings, Cotto is on the same level as Oscar DLH and Sugar Shane. One step below May and Pac of this era.

[JuanRakan]

How about this question - looking at the WW's of the past decade, where does Cotto stack up? hes right behind May and Pac with Oscar De La Hoya and Shane Mosley. None of these other WWs over the past decade are touching Cotto.Whose gonna beat him? Cotto stops Victor Ortiz, Andre berto, Amir Khan and Kell Brook. He beats the S^5$ out of Tim Bradley and scraps a nice UD vs. Maidana, Porter and Thrurman.

[BOXEO _]

Cotto hasn't been the same since the first Margarito fight, the Pac fight afterwords took whatever was left of Cotto's prime.

[Rostov Papa]

Cotto hasn't been the same since the first Margarito fight, the Pac fight afterwords took whatever was left of Cotto's prime.

This...

He's done on the top level. When you lose to Trout... Roach can match him smartly and make him look like he's stil word class, doe.

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[Dirk Diggler UK]

He took a couple of frightful beatings against Margarito and Pacquaio. He's not been the same since then.

He hasn't really faced anyone with that kinda style who'll take it to him except a shot, one eyed dead man in Margarito II. He's faced shot fighters or boxers and it's probably helped build his mental confidence back up, that and the teaming up with Roach but he'd still get taken out by a younger guy who took it to him.

I think Canelo could have given him the business if he fought in a more aggressive style and Golovkin would literally end his life.

[-MAKAVELLI-]