Would defeating Margarito have done anything for Mayweathers legacy in retrospect

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  • -Kev-
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    #231
    Originally posted by BattlingNelson
    Point is that it would have been a very good if not great win had he fought him. It's not about excusemaking.
    Like I said, blame Arum.

    It would have been a good win. As good as Daniel Santos or Paul Williams beating him. It didn't get them much respect, but I guess it would have gotten Floyd (The guy who gets little to no credit for any win) the respect he is missing today. Look at the way Paul Williams was praised as a great fighter for beating Margarito in a close fight. Not. The guy was hammered by fans after that clear but close win.

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    • h2k
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      #232
      Floyd would have killed margarito in the ring.

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      • BattlingNelson
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        #233
        Originally posted by h2k
        Floyd would have killed margarito in the ring.
        Floyd is the undisputed king of fantasy fights.

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        • IronDanHamza
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          #234
          Originally posted by -Kev-
          He left TR in 2006. He bought out Arum's contract for $750k, best thing he ever did. Arum did not want to make Mayweather-DLH. Apparently Arum wanted Floyd to fight in August 2006, Floyd would not be ready by then because he had injured his right hand vs Judah, hence him fighting Baldomir in November.

          I bolded some key sentences in this article from 2006:



          http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2420382
          Should have fought him instead of Judah.

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          • LEFTYGUNZZ
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            #235
            Originally posted by -Kev-
            Like I said, blame Arum.

            It would have been a good win. As good as Daniel Santos or Paul Williams beating him. It didn't get them much respect, but I guess it would have gotten Floyd (The guy who gets little to no credit for any win) the respect he is missing today. Look at the way Paul Williams was praised as a great fighter for beating Margarito in a close fight. Not. The guy was hammered by fans after that clear but close win.
            Paul Williams got a lot of credit for beating Tony. In fact after that it seemed no one at all wanted fight him. He even beat Sergio Martinez when everyone thought he might be P4P the best. Do not down play Paul Williams victory over Tony. It makes you reveal your true boxing IQ.....LeFTy

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            • MPX309
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              #236
              Probably not, if he did there would only be someone else tainting it as well

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              • The Gambler1981
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                #237
                Originally posted by LEFTYGUNZZ
                Paul Williams got a lot of credit for beating Tony. In fact after that it seemed no one at all wanted fight him. He even beat Sergio Martinez when everyone thought he might be P4P the best. Do not down play Paul Williams victory over Tony. It makes you reveal your true boxing IQ.....LeFTy
                OK Mr. Boxing IQ what happened to Williams in his very next fight after Margarito?


                Did that effect his rise to the top?

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                • LEFTYGUNZZ
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                  #238
                  Originally posted by The Gambler1981
                  OK Mr. Boxing IQ what happened to Williams in his very next fight after Margarito?


                  Did that effect his rise to the top?
                  Styles make fights, Carlos Quintana gave him hell in that fight. the scores were 116-112 and 115 -113. It wasn't exactly domination by Carlos. The rematch however was a quick road to redemption. I believe Paul disposed of Carlos in the first round. Paul The Punisher Williams was a freak of nature from 147-160 he was feared and avoided. Come on let it out its okay

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                  • Jsmooth9876
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                    #239
                    Originally posted by LEFTYGUNZZ
                    Paul Williams got a lot of credit for beating Tony. In fact after that it seemed no one at all wanted fight him. He even beat Sergio Martinez when everyone thought he might be P4P the best. Do not down play Paul Williams victory over Tony. It makes you reveal your true boxing IQ.....LeFTy
                    Flo-mos have no boxing IQ..they only know how to defend the name and honor of Floyd Mayweather Jr at all costs..usually that just means blaming Bob Arum for every duck dodge and contradicting statement he's ever made..
                    They are pathetic and not boxing fans at all, just **** riders of one dude.

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                    • The Gambler1981
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                      #240
                      Originally posted by LEFTYGUNZZ
                      Styles make fights, Carlos Quintana gave him hell in that fight. the scores were 116-112 and 115 -113. It wasn't exactly domination by Carlos. The rematch however was a quick road to redemption. I believe Paul disposed of Carlos in the first round. Paul The Punisher Williams was a freak of nature from 147-160 he was feared and avoided. Come on let it out its okay
                      There are also levels in boxing and Quintana is at least 2 notches below the top. You lose to a guy like that you go to the back of the line even if you come back in your next fight and ice the guy in one round six months later.

                      That knockout doesn't erase the lose, and Williams had major consistency issues. If you can't be consistent then the guy is not really all that at the top end. Consistency in boxing is one thing winning every time, never looking out of place.

                      Guys like Wiliams and Margarito good fighters can win some fights but they were exactly what they were not the highly stylized versions people remember them as now.

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