Comments Thread For: SHO's Espinoza: Arum 'Not Truthful' on Mayweather Talks

[AllBoxingAD]

Why is this guy still in charge of SHO sports? I believe Espinoza that there isnt a contract but I wouldnt be suprised if there is a verbal deal in place. They're probably just waiting on the ok from gayweather. Since thats not going to happen, there is no reason to draw up any contracts.

Oh yes so MP, TR, SHO and HBO negotiated everything... Without even knowing if Floyd wants the fight or not.

Makes sense to me.

[TX_BOXNG]

its obvious team Pacman have been trolling the casuals n media

But i still think at the end of the day the fight is in Floyds hands he has the power make it

Him making all his demands lol hes already making boat loads of money lol a fight is a fight

[FloydvsPac]

Freddie roach admitted it was there fault for first fight in an interview and since then he has stated mayweather hasn't said anything since. So there was no second negotiations till now. Floyd is under contract. So he can't sign contract without Showtime approval and even if he signed the network have to agree. If mayweather signed without approval there would be legal ramifications for him. No different than if Pac agreed to a contract without top rank approval. It doesn't matter who u like or like both look at the business aspect first before you comment. All sides and networks have to agree together and sign period.

It's not that SHO has to approve what Floyd "signed" or didn't sign. SHO has to pay the guarantee and the PPV split that Floyd is demanding. He's under contract with them, so he/TMT or Mayweather Promotions gets paid by SHO, especially now that Golden Boy is supposedly out of the picture.

[Scipio2009]

"No real value"??? The biggest PPV fight in history!!! If there is "no real value" to Floyd vs. Pac, then why did SHO & HBO even bother meeting and negotiating??

Do you have any substantial evidence that the SHO-HBO TV deal is more valuable to Floyd than his guaranteed purse and his PPV split (which is separate than SHO & HBO's PPV split)?? Do you know for sure that Floyd even owns the TV licenses of his fights?? I can't find any evidence.

Mayweather made a rumored $70m for the Canelo fight, and +$50m for the Cotto fight, both bouts done under terms agreeable to him.

Even is the fight does double the amount of revenue that Mayweather-Alvarez did, once the distributors get paid and the networks get their money, the fighters would be left with splitting $150m, an astronomical amount of money.

Seeing how this saga has unfolded, I don't see Mayweather being all that happy with Arum walking away with $30m off of his name, for a payday that is only marginally better than what he was able to secure for himself, doing things his own way. $85m is a lot of money to be looking at, but a man's pride is a fickle thing.

Mayweather gets paid by Showtime/CBS, and is executive producer for his content on Showtime; honestly not sure how you'd expect to decouple the TV rights from the PPV money (Showtime has sold the TV rights to Mayweather's last 4 fights across the world, for a decent bit of coin apparently).

[Scipio2009]

Okay.. So you mean to tell me Floyd doesnt have to fight Pac coz he is rich even if his sports, his profession, called prize fighting calls for this super fight to happen. it's boxings nba finals, our Super Bowl.

It's like saying Jordan walked away from the finals coz he is rich. Kobe walked away from the finals coz he is rich and shaq can handle it..

No one walks away from the glory of a profession my friend. In a profession, you wait for the day you hit it the biggest, wether you are an engineer a doctor, a lawyer a sportsman. you embrace this day. As I said, sports is not only money. It's for the glory, fame, money that goes with it.

If you duck the fight of your life, it's on you to be ridiculed. Floyd is meant to face Pac in the finals. This is a super fight. He better Dance or forever be branded a duck.

Floyd doesn't have to fight Pacquiao, or anyone for that matter, because he bet on himself, did things his own way, and won. If the negotiations go the way that Floyd is willing to accept, the fight happens; if they don't, the fight doesn't happen.

Michael Jordan, in the prime of his NBA career, decided to quit basketball and try to pursue baseball, for honestly no other reason than he wanted to pursue baseball. Every basketball person probably argued that he was foolish or crazy for leaving the NBA, and a likely shot at a four-peat, but Jordan could give to chits.

He had a passion to do something, he had the opportunity to do it, and he was willing to take that chance; things didn't go too well, but he still did what he wanted to do. Jordan ended up returning to the NBA, winning three more titles, and then hanging up the smeakers for a bit.

Floyd's gambled too much on his own career to have anyone try and dictate anything to him, fight or no fight.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Floyd doesn't have to fight Pacquiao, or anyone for that matter, because he bet on himself, did things his own way, and won. If the negotiations go the way that Floyd is willing to accept, the fight happens; if they don't, the fight doesn't happen.

Michael Jordan, in the prime of his NBA career, decided to quit basketball and try to pursue baseball, for honestly no other reason than he wanted to pursue baseball. Every basketball person probably argued that he was foolish or crazy for leaving the NBA, and a likely shot at a four-peat, but Jordan could give to chits.

He had a passion to do something, he had the opportunity to do it, and he was willing to take that chance; things didn't go too well, but he still did what he wanted to do. Jordan ended up returning to the NBA, winning three more titles, and then hanging up the smeakers for a bit.

Floyd's gambled too much on his own career to have anyone try and dictate anything to him, fight or no fight.

Name one team Jordan refused to play because of their owner.

[Scipio2009]

Name one team Jordan refused to play because of their owner.

Apples and oranges, and you know it. The NBA plays all the teams in their league; and the NBA has shown, if they can come to agreeable terms, they are willing to play exhibitions against team in the Euroleague or the CBA or any other professional basketball league. If the terms aren't agreeable to both parties, the exhibition doesn't happen.

In the boxing game, Floyd Mayweather Jr is free to fight whatever fight that he can come to amenable terms for; Manny Pacquiao is free to fight whomever Arum agrees to put in front of him.

Next time, look for a better example.

[HAY-B]

Okay.. So you mean to tell me Floyd doesnt have to fight Pac coz he is rich even if his sports, his profession, called prize fighting calls for this super fight to happen. it's boxings nba finals, our Super Bowl.

It's like saying Jordan walked away from the finals coz he is rich. Kobe walked away from the finals coz he is rich and shaq can handle it..

No one walks away from the glory of a profession my friend. In a profession, you wait for the day you hit it the biggest, wether you are an engineer a doctor, a lawyer a sportsman. you embrace this day. As I said, sports is not only money. It's for the glory, fame, money that goes with it.

If you duck the fight of your life, it's on you to be ridiculed. Floyd is meant to face Pac in the finals. This is a super fight. He better Dance or forever be branded a duck.

Look dude you said no one walks away from a lot of money and I told you a person that did. I did not say anything about someone not wanting to fight someone I just pointed out that people walk away from money all the time. money is not a motivating factor to everyone like you seem to think. Maybe you don't know who Dave Chapelle is but he had the hottest show on the Comedy Network and walked away from it all over principle. The 50 million dollars they were going to pay him meant nothing close to his principles.

Now as far as Floyd and Manny fighting the only person I recall walking away from a ton of money was Manny during the first negotiation years ago. As far as things go now, I think he would be a fool to walk away. Floyd is not walking away from this fight. He wants it. He's cashing out. However it seems like a lot of posters on NSB wish he would walk away. I want this fight to happen and I think it will. But you have to admit Arum misleading the public regarding a contract that does not exist is kind of suspect. Instead of getting your panties in a bunch you should keep your fingers crossed that your boy Manny does not walk away again on the 31st. Like a said Floyd is not walking away because he's the one offering the fight. Let logic guide you and not your emotions.

[FloydvsPac]

Mayweather made a rumored $70m for the Canelo fight, and +$50m for the Cotto fight, both bouts done under terms agreeable to him.

Even is the fight does double the amount of revenue that Mayweather-Alvarez did, once the distributors get paid and the networks get their money, the fighters would be left with splitting $150m, an astronomical amount of money.

Seeing how this saga has unfolded, I don't see Mayweather being all that happy with Arum walking away with $30m off of his name, for a payday that is only marginally better than what he was able to secure for himself, doing things his own way. $85m is a lot of money to be looking at, but a man's pride is a fickle thing.

Mayweather gets paid by Showtime/CBS, and is executive producer for his content on Showtime; honestly not sure how you'd expect to decouple the TV rights from the PPV money (Showtime has sold the TV rights to Mayweather's last 4 fights across the world, for a decent bit of coin apparently).

Sounds like you're giving Floyd a reason to choose not to fight Pacquiao. And by the way, you are totally speculating that he would only make "marginally" more fighting Pacquiao. Even if you want to call it a business decision, it's still a duck.

And him to not wanting to fight Pacquiao because of his "pride" against Arum is not a legitimate reason. It's still a duck.

Read what you wrote. You are literally making excuses for him.

[FloydvsPac]

Floyd doesn't have to fight Pacquiao, or anyone for that matter, because he bet on himself, did things his own way, and won. If the negotiations go the way that Floyd is willing to accept, the fight happens; if they don't, the fight doesn't happen.

Michael Jordan, in the prime of his NBA career, decided to quit basketball and try to pursue baseball, for honestly no other reason than he wanted to pursue baseball. Every basketball person probably argued that he was foolish or crazy for leaving the NBA, and a likely shot at a four-peat, but Jordan could give to chits.

He had a passion to do something, he had the opportunity to do it, and he was willing to take that chance; things didn't go too well, but he still did what he wanted to do. Jordan ended up returning to the NBA, winning three more titles, and then hanging up the smeakers for a bit.

Floyd's gambled too much on his own career to have anyone try and dictate anything to him, fight or no fight.

Unbelievable!! What boxing fan actually believes Floyd doesn't need to fight Pacquiao?? Even now that the negotiations are closer than ever, you don't seem to want this fight to happen! Your words sound like they come from a fighter's girlfriend or relative!! You are embarrassing yourself as a boxing fan.