Comments Thread For: SHO's Espinoza: Arum 'Not Truthful' on Mayweather Talks

[FloydvsPac]

Nah he disputed it. Said he couldn't speak for HBO but for everyone on Showtime. Also said there is no agreement.

Yep no final contract. But he never disputed that Arum & Pac agreed to all the terms. What's left to negotiate is between SHO & HBO.....and maybe Floyd, which I hope not.

[big_james10]

Yep no final contract. But he never disputed that Arum & Pac agreed to all the terms. What's left to negotiate is between SHO & HBO.....and maybe Floyd, which I hope not.

What part of we are still negotiating did you not understand? How can a fighter agree to all terms when there is no agreement and they are still negotiating the terms?

[FloydvsPac]

What part of we are still negotiating did you not understand? How can a fighter agree to all terms when there is no agreement and they are still negotiating the terms?

Did Espinoza specify that they are still negotiating with Arum & Pacquiao?? No, because that side is done. "Still negotiating" is non-specific and open to interpretation, which is PR & lawyer language. Non-specific statements are often used as a tactic to mislead or just keep things private. In public statements, being SPECIFIC and ON THE RECORD is what really matters because then it can be disputed and proved.

[ssc73]

Ever heard of deal memorandums and other paper trail like email & fax confirmations?? You honestly don't think parties just talk on the phone and in meetings, then draft the 25+ page long form agreement for everyone to review and sign? Deal points need to be officially signed off beforehand.

I'm no fan of Arum, but he & Pac went on record saying the agreed to all the terms. Then Arum dropped the names of Moonves & Plepler to back him up. That's very specific and on the record. Espinoza never disputed this claim and neither did anyone else. If Arum was lying, Espinoza would have disputed that directly and would have Moonves & Plepler bury Arum. Never happened! All Espinoza specified was the ongoing SHO-HBO TV negotiations and that Arum was "misrepresenting" Floyd by ridiculing him. He basically just protected Floyd from looking like a coward.

I agree with the Floyd "sign the contract" remarks. That's misleading, but it does put more public pressure on Floyd. As far as Arum & Pac's concerned Floyd maybe hasn't signed any deal points on paper. Only Moonves & SHO know whether he actually agreed to anything. He must have or HBO & SHO would've never wasted their time to meet and negotiate. If Floyd really wants the fight on May 2nd, he has to go on record publicly!! Because if this fight doesn't happen in May, we know who is at fault. Just do the math. Everyone has to prepare for Plan B now.

Espinoza had disputed it directly. After going back and forth, Mayweather has apparently agreed to go with the terms he offered. There's no reason to think otherwise.

But that DOES NOT MEAN their are contracts for the fighters to sign..........what Mayweather has said is Arum & Pac aren't in a position to approve anyting.........the agreement on the fight terms is one thing. The TV/Promotional contracts are quite another.

So while Mayweather is willing to give Pacquiao what he offered and accept that for the fight, the continuing negotiation are related to the promotional end and the TV part, including how much who pays for promos, which network had replay rights, how things would switch in the rematch clause if Pac wins..........they are crossing t's and dotting i's and HBO & SHO have said they are still getting it finalized and hope to have it ready next week

But without the deal being truly ready, why start throwing out deadlines and threatening to walk?? HOW CAN THAT POSSIBLY HELP??

This would be done if Arum would STFU and wait until HBO/SHO have reached agreement.

Even if it doesn't work out, Pac could still wait a month to sign and fight in June..........which would be exactly what happens and this fight doesn't need much for promotions......check on the HBO side to see if they have agreed to terms with SHO if you don't believe Espinoza......of is Arum suddenly the only straigh shooter?? Give me a f........ break!! Don't be an Arum sheep
I understand the need to get a 'plan B'..........but you do that in back channels, not in public. And you sure as hell don't make threats and accusations that he knows are false....

Unless you want to kill the fight........??

[jqSide]

Isn't Espinoza's job to talk to Arum so he can clear things up? Why is it so hard to pick up the phone? What exactly is he doing? There seems to be no back and forth. Just lots of grandstanding.

[ssc73]

And don't forget other things like sponsors........Tecate vs Corona, Buffer vs Lennon Jr., Lampley, Jones and Kellermen or Moe, Al and Paulie, if HBO has more national subscribers, they have an advantage even though Mayweather will be the bigger draw.....so how do you decide how that works..........that's nickel and dime stuff that has taken all the time. If it weren't for the 'DUAL NETWORK' issue, this fight would have already been announced..........or Arum would have found another way to kill it with his mouth..........

HBO and SHO with Arum praising the fact that they were not going to negotiate in the press............who started that again?? And why would he?? THINK ABOUT IT.......

[ssc73]

Isn't Espinoza's job to talk to Arum so he can clear things up? Why is it so hard to pick up the phone? What exactly is he doing? There seems to be no back and forth. Just lots of grandstanding.

No, Espinosa is working with Hershman at HBO........Arum, for all intents and purposes, is not really involved in negotiations at this point. And he knows that Floyd agreeing to the fighter agreement has NOTHING to do with the deal being done.........

This is on ARUM do get facts straight without opening his mouth......he's a known habitual liar.....and drama queen to the highest degree...........Mayweather is no saint.....but at least he kept his mouth shut until Arum and Pac went too far......

Wow........I just defended Mayweather.......he's a nutjob too.......but Arum has 60 years of shady bribes, fixes and everything else............I'm not taking what either camp says seriously until HBO and SHO make some kind of announcement. But I can guarantee they want it done for Super Bowl ads.....

Arum is killing things with this deadline......that he knows has NOTHING to do with Floyd....and Manny hasn't signed anything either.....

[FloydvsPac]

And don't forget other things like sponsors........Tecate vs Corona, Buffer vs Lennon Jr., Lampley, Jones and Kellermen or Moe, Al and Paulie, if HBO has more national subscribers, they have an advantage even though Mayweather will be the bigger draw.....so how do you decide how that works..........that's nickel and dime stuff that has taken all the time. If it weren't for the 'DUAL NETWORK' issue, this fight would have already been announced..........or Arum would have found another way to kill it with his mouth..........

HBO and SHO with Arum praising the fact that they were not going to negotiate in the press............who started that again?? And why would he?? THINK ABOUT IT.......

I'm stating that Arum specifically and publicly said they agreed to everything. Their side is no longer negotiating. So he's not negotiating through the press with his recent statements. What he's doing is needling Mayweather!

I don't trust Arum, but I trust specifics that are on record that have not been disputed. When he named Moonves & Plepler with regards to Top Rank & Pacquiao agreeing to all the terms, that went undisputed! It obviously doesn't mean that the TV licensing deal was done. As far as ring sponsorship, Top Rank or Mayweather Promotions could own it. We don't know who has that license but usually the promoter keeps it, which is NOT part of TV licensing.

And with SHO & HBO's previous joint production with Lewis-Tyson and their track record together, I definitely do not see them killing the richest PPV event in history, especially when Espinoza & Hershman's jobs are at stake. It's my opinion, but it makes sense. And Arum publicly calling out Floyd does not affect the SHO-HBO TV deal. The only wild card that has NOT gone on record publicly is Floyd. Arum is sneaky. He's pressuring Floyd through the press and knowing that Floyd might get pissed off enough to change the terms, which will kill the fight. Only Floyd fanatics will fault Arum for that. He's baiting Floyd to kill the fight.

[ugly2000]

Why is this guy still in charge of SHO sports? I believe Espinoza that there isnt a contract but I wouldnt be suprised if there is a verbal deal in place. They're probably just waiting on the ok from gayweather. Since thats not going to happen, there is no reason to draw up any contracts.

[goldenbear]

Not mayweather fault.....or pacman

Freddie roach admitted it was there fault for first fight in an interview and since then he has stated mayweather hasn't said anything since. So there was no second negotiations till now. Floyd is under contract. So he can't sign contract without Showtime approval and even if he signed the network have to agree. If mayweather signed without approval there would be legal ramifications for him. No different than if Pac agreed to a contract without top rank approval. It doesn't matter who u like or like both look at the business aspect first before you comment. All sides and networks have to agree together and sign period.