Comments Thread For: SHO's Espinoza: Arum 'Not Truthful' on Mayweather Talks

[Vasyl’s dad]

Apples and oranges, and you know it. The NBA plays all the teams in their league; and the NBA has shown, if they can come to agreeable terms, they are willing to play exhibitions against team in the Euroleague or the CBA or any other professional basketball league. If the terms aren't agreeable to both parties, the exhibition doesn't happen.

In the boxing game, Floyd Mayweather Jr is free to fight whatever fight that he can come to amenable terms for; Manny Pacquiao is free to fight whomever Arum agrees to put in front of him.

Next time, look for a better example.

Originally Posted by Scipio2009 View Post


Michael Jordan, in the prime of his NBA career, decided to quit basketball and try to pursue baseball, for honestly no other reason than he wanted to pursue baseball. Every basketball person probably argued that he was foolish or crazy for leaving the NBA, and a likely shot at a four-peat, but Jordan could give to chits.

He had a passion to do something, he had the opportunity to do it, and he was willing to take that chance; things didn't go too well, but he still did what he wanted to do. Jordan ended up returning to the NBA, winning three more titles, and then hanging up the smeakers for a bit.
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apples and oranges eh? So uh, why did you make the comparison in the first place?

[tomhawq]

don't know how pacquiao can stomach rewarding this boring guy with such astronomical sums of money. it's immoral. you don't reward disgusting people like that. you reward them with bad karma. the way to do it is ignore him and make him beg for the fight and let him become the laughing stock of the world forever.

[boogybro]

don't know how pacquiao can stomach rewarding this boring guy with such astronomical sums of money. it's immoral. you don't reward disgusting people like that. you reward them with bad karma. the way to do it is ignore him and make him beg for the fight and let him become the laughing stock of the world forever.

There you have it folks; Pacroids really don't want the fight to happen.

[ssc73]

Isn't Espinoza's job to talk to Arum so he can clear things up? Why is it so hard to pick up the phone? What exactly is he doing? There seems to be no back and forth. Just lots of grandstanding.

I'm stating that Arum specifically and publicly said they agreed to everything. Their side is no longer negotiating. So he's not negotiating through the press with his recent statements. What he's doing is needling Mayweather!

I don't trust Arum, but I trust specifics that are on record that have not been disputed. When he named Moonves & Plepler with regards to Top Rank & Pacquiao agreeing to all the terms, that went undisputed! It obviously doesn't mean that the TV licensing deal was done. As far as ring sponsorship, Top Rank or Mayweather Promotions could own it. We don't know who has that license but usually the promoter keeps it, which is NOT part of TV licensing.

And with SHO & HBO's previous joint production with Lewis-Tyson and their track record together, I definitely do not see them killing the richest PPV event in history, especially when Espinoza & Hershman's jobs are at stake. It's my opinion, but it makes sense. And Arum publicly calling out Floyd does not affect the SHO-HBO TV deal. The only wild card that has NOT gone on record publicly is Floyd. Arum is sneaky. He's pressuring Floyd through the press and knowing that Floyd might get pissed off enough to change the terms, which will kill the fight. Only Floyd fanatics will fault Arum for that. He's baiting Floyd to kill the fight.

So basically you just agreed with what I said..........the fighter's have agreed on the terms for the fight. Meaning Mayweather approved an offer, had it sent to Pacquiao, and Team Pacquiao have agreed to those terms.

So in effect, both fighters have agreed on their end. Now it's up to the networks to decide how they divide up details.

My problem, which I would say is totally based on ego, is that Arum KNOWS that by throwing out some weird deadline that may or may not be a reasonable amount of time to wrap up those details, it ******.

First because he has no way to know if they'll be ready.

Second, because he knows that the minute he tries to assert any kind of control on what Floyd decides to do will create backlash......which is the one way Arum can prevent the fight..........it's the only reason you would trhow out some deadline.......

Unless you can explain it better than that? Obviously he's talked to the head of CBS, who's surely told him the deal isn't ready.........so why do it at all?

[Reloaded]

There you have it folks; Pacroids really don't want the fight to happen.

Thats obvious , when it all began and looked like it was really happening they sht their pants , it was tombstone in here and you never heard a peep out of them lol .

They dont want the fight because they will lose , they want to be able to hate on Floyd and call him chicken , this is what they want its the only fantasy fight they can win , everybody knows Floyd will kick Mannys ass and then that is the end of Mannys fanboys .

They dont want the fight .

[Scipio2009]

Sounds like you're giving Floyd a reason to choose not to fight Pacquiao. And by the way, you are totally speculating that he would only make "marginally" more fighting Pacquiao. Even if you want to call it a business decision, it's still a duck.

And him to not wanting to fight Pacquiao because of his "pride" against Arum is not a legitimate reason. It's still a duck.

Read what you wrote. You are literally making excuses for him.

$300m in PPV revenue, half of which goes to the distributors; Showtime/HBO get their fees and you're looking at $150m between the fighters. 60/40 gives Floyd $90m, about 30% beyond his prior high (not even counting the money generated and earned from the live gate, closed circuits, etc).

Pacquiao gets $60m, of which Arum takes his third, leaving Pacquiao with $40m, nearly 40% than what Pacquiao has earned otherwise.

Call it what you want.

[Scipio2009]

Unbelievable!! What boxing fan actually believes Floyd doesn't need to fight Pacquiao?? Even now that the negotiations are closer than ever, you don't seem to want this fight to happen! Your words sound like they come from a fighter's girlfriend or relative!! You are embarrassing yourself as a boxing fan.

The same boxing fans who weren't clamoring for Lewis-Tyson, as a big a spectacle as it was, because they already had a sense that Tyson was shot as an top fighter and Lewis had far more left in the tank.

[KickedOuttaGQ]

$300m in PPV revenue, half of which goes to the distributors; Showtime/HBO get their fees and you're looking at $150m between the fighters. 60/40 gives Floyd $90m, about 30% beyond his prior high (not even counting the money generated and earned from the live gate, closed circuits, etc).

Pacquiao gets $60m, of which Arum takes his third, leaving Pacquiao with $40m, nearly 40% than what Pacquiao has earned otherwise.

Call it what you want.

I like how you assume that Arum gets 33% of the split and act like Al Haymon works for Free.

[Scipio2009]

apples and oranges eh? So uh, why did you make the comparison in the first place?

The initial point that was attempted was that, since every NBA team plays against every NBA team that is scheduled, that would inherently mean that Floyd, in some kind of way, would be compelled to fight Pacquiao.

I pointed out that the comparison was daft, as an NBA team isn't forced or compelled to play against a team in the Euroleague or some team playing in the CBA.

To drive the second point through, in terms of noting Floyd being positioned to decide as he wishes, I used the example of Michael Jordan, following his third straight NBA championship, deciding to pursue baseball for the simple reason that that was what he wanted to do, regardless of whatever anyone else thought he should do.

[Furn]

It's impossible to know what the truth is but if Arum is right and Floyd doesn't want the fight Showtime has to defend Floyd because they still have to pay him another $64mil and have to try to sell enough ppv to not lose a huge amount of money.

So they aren't ever going to come out and say everyone was onboard and agreed but Floyd just wouldn't do it are they ? That would kill his ppv sales.

So I'm not sure how seriously you can take what anyone from Showtime or Floyds side says, you could say the same for Arim I guess too tho.