Stephen Espinoza says no contract even exist LMAO

[SplitSecond]

what does showtime/hbo have to do with negotiations between pacquiao/arum and floyd/haymon

[Box3r]

PAC didn't say he had signed a contract

He said he has agreed to everything Floyd's team requested

And that he is waiting for a signed contract to come back from Floyd

Stop making it out like PAC lied. He didn't

/thread

This is what I have been saying..

Pac agreed not signed..

[Eli Grinding]

Arum needs to show whatever the **** was agreed upon or GTFO.

Same goes for Mayweather.

Seriously any clown that has taken a side in this circus cant think for himself.

[-PBP-]

Of course there isn't. Arum is PMSing because he wants control. But of course tards get aroused from circle jerking every time he issues a statement.

[Eli Grinding]

This is what I have been saying..

Pac agreed not signed..

Then Arum needs to show whatever was agreed upon becausen Koncz just said Manny agreed in principal to the "contract" or else STFU.

Same goes for Mayweathers side.

[QballLobo]

People need to get off this "Bob said Manny signed a contract" to justify their agenda. Floyd has made it clear he is the A side, he makes the offers. Its perfectly reasonable to expect Bob to hear Floyd's terms and agree in principle to what Floyd wants when it comes to money split, who weighs in first, ring size, gloves, testing etc...
If there is something Floyd wants Manny and Bob to agree to and they are not willing then he needs to make it known.
I think the game changer here was Canelo pulling out of the Cotto negotiations. Before that is seemed like a deal for Pac/Jr was imminent and everyone was on the same page. Personally, I think once Cotto became an option Haymon began to squeeze Arum and Co. for a better deal in their favor and that's when Bob went public.

[Eli Grinding]

People need to get off this "Bob said Manny signed a contract" to justify their agenda. Floyd has made it clear he is the A side, he makes the offers. Its perfectly reasonable to expect Bob to hear Floyd's terms and agree in principle to what Floyd wants when it comes to money split, who weighs in first, ring size, gloves, testing etc...
If there is something Floyd wants Manny and Bob to agree to and they are not willing then he needs to make it known.
I think the game changer here was Canelo pulling out of the Cotto negotiations. Before that is seemed like a deal for Pac/Jr was imminent and everyone was on the same page. Personally, I think once Cotto became an option Haymon began to squeeze Arum and Co. for a better deal in their favor and that's when Bob went public.

Who ever said Manny signed is an idiot because thats not what is being said me at least.

WHAT HAS BEEN SAID IS THAT MANNY AGREED TO A "CONTRACT"!!!

KONCZ IS ON THE RECORD SAYING THIS!!!

Ok then SHOW US THE "CONTRACT" MANNY AGREED TO THEN OR STFU!!!

[Canvas]

The "official" contract, as in paper form to literally sign, usually isn't "signed" when announcements are made about all terms being agreed upon.

Of course Pacquiao wouldn't just sign a contract, and then wait for Floyd (days, weeks...) to sign it.

The contract will be drawn up, and "literally signed" once everything is agreed on, and both sides give verbal commitment to sign.

Correct. Espinoza is being disingenuous and using semantics.

Espinoza has been an embarrassment to Showtime and will likely be working for Haymon, Schaefer, or Mayweather a year from now.

[billeau2]

PAC didn't say he had signed a contract

He said he has agreed to everything Floyd's team requested

And that he is waiting for a signed contract to come back from Floyd

Stop making it out like PAC lied. He didn't

/thread

Absolutely true.

People here don't seem to understand contracts! They think a contract is a piece of paper that makes its way around the room like some whore at a bachelor party....

Contracts can be oral, in this case if Pac agreed to all Floyd's demands and held a date up for the event this can be considered consideration, vis a vis this is an oral contract. It does not mean others don't have to sign off and details hammered out but when Pac says he agreed to the provisions and gave something of value in exchange (a venue his participation, etc) then this is an oral contract.

Many people here make the same mistake as Floyd who thinks of a contract as an agreement signed off on that is admissable in a court of law etc. Make no mistakes about it people, Pac can't sue Floyd, he can't hold him to provisions but a verbal contract vis a vis an agreement was made when Floyd gave his consent verbally.

So it is correct that Pac has not lied when he states the nature of the agreement between Floyd and himself. Just because something is not legal grade does not mean it is not a contract. It just means that SOME contracts have to be written. SOME contracts to be legally ENFORCABLE need the signatory of other parties involved. And SOME contracts need to be enforced through the actions of one or more parties....For example it would be very interesting if Pac had a tape of Floyd agreeing to terms and Pac then proceeded to pay a deposit for the venue....This contract might even be enforcable...I don't know.

[arraamis]

Anyone with even one brain cell knew there was nothing to sign on yet. Like Canelo saying he signed the "contract" to fight Cotto, when Cotto wasn't even aware of any contract. Pacquiao signed and agreed to Bob Arum's contract on a sheet of paper written by Arum Koncz that said "60/40, Mayweather vs Pacquiao, May 2, Las Vegas, Outdoor Stadium, Nevada, sign here ______________x" in crayons.

Good point!!

Guys need to recognize the difference between Manny agreeing to what Arum\Kontz is stating and what the so-called negotiator is documenting.

What many of the tards here seem to readily dismiss, is that Manny is relying totally on Arum\Kontz to be on the up & up .... and that can often lead to several misunderstandings and misstatements.

Maybe Manny signed the same contract Khan signed last year.

Yeah, a lot of those contracts are floating around