Comments Thread For: Pascal Slams Lack of PED Testing, Team Kovalev Respond

[radioraheem]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=448696

Looks like you conveniently ignored that.


Oh, looks like you missed out on this one too.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=482594

btw, the excuses people give in those threads are freaking hilarious, but expect every other fighter to take tests.

I had just joined the forum around that time. Those threads date back to 2010 and 2011.

[IMDAZED]

I had just joined the forum around that time. Those threads date back to 2010 and 2011.

What's interesting is that there are people on both sides who are against testing in one of those threads. Those who question Hopkins because they hated the focus being on Pacquiao...and diehard Pacquiao fans who said proof must be provided first

[Heavyfist]

VADA also have a waiver, they did so with Pederson. And both VADA and USADA do require random testing. There is zero difference in what they do. The head of VADA herself confirm/claims this. The only difference is VADA are cheaper whilst USADA protocol are quite expensive.

I know VADA also has waivers, legally speaking, I think you have to. The point is, with USADA, some fighters have negotiated the ability to present waivers after they have been presented with a positive test, while this is not the case with VADA.

If not too much trouble, source of the head of VADA saying this? I believe you, but it contradicts something I read that Peterson and Berto were caught using the latest urine testing technique, not used by USADA.

How can USADA be random when PAC and Floyd were negotiating for specific dates to test on with USADA? I'll take your word that its usually random, but it doesn't seem to be mandatory like with VADA.

I cede the point anyway.

[Ray*]

If not too much trouble, source of the head of VADA saying this?

It was said many times that the test that caught Pederson was not in use by USADA.

I've just read a couple articles claiming the test that caught Peterson and Berto, the latest urine testing technique, is not used by USADA. Not that its super important.

How can USADA be random when PAC and Floyd were negotiating for specific dates to test on with USADA? I'll take your word that its usually random, but it doesn't seem to be mandatory like with VADA.

I cede the point anyway.

Margaret goodman is the source and head of VADA, she said so herself.

The test that caught Pederson is also administered by WADA (Which USADA falls under) the difference is WADA tests for a higher level of it, VADA being an independent testing agency tested for a lower level of the same test (CIR).

Pac and Mayweather were going to be tested randomly during a period of time... They could be tested once in 2 months of training or not tested at all in that period but they can announce their intention to test at anytime in that period... That's random testing, I read some people claiming random testing has to be year round.....NO. Pac didn't agree to the testing but he never asked to be tested on specific days neither.

[IMDAZED]

Margaret goodman is the source and head of VADA, she said so herself.

The test that caught Pederson is also administered by WADA (Which USADA falls under) the difference is WADA tests for a higher level of it, VADA being an independent testing agency tested for a lower level of the same test (CIR).

Pac and Mayweather were going to be tested randomly during a period of time... They could be tested once in 2 months of training or not tested at all in that period but they can announce their intention to test at anytime in that period... That's random testing, I read some people claiming random testing has to be year round.....NO. Pac didn't agree to the testing but he never asked to be tested on specific days neither.

Both test 4:1 levels, at least for champions.

[jas]

Same people bashing Hopkins are not saying **** about kova

And Kova's team said commision should do testing for bhop fight

[Ray*]

To add to my post, Pederson would have pass the same CIR test under USADA in line with the WADA guidelines because the level they test for is quite high for example 8/10... Whilst VADA level would be around 3/10.... Which would caught any athlete for example someone like Pederson who turned in a 6/10.

[radioraheem]

You've made your points and I don't disagree with them as you know what you are talking about, but I think you are downplaying the difference in effectiveness between the two.

I don't think USADA is illegally suppressing positive tests, but legally. From everything I've gathered, if a fighter has some unusual condition that requires medication that is qualified as PEDs, that fighter can get a waiver and legally fight.

For instance, Steverne might have muscle wasting disease. Muscular dystrophy, along with many many many other severe diseases, are commonly combated with anabolic steroids. So it is forseeable that Steverne could be allowed to use steroids with a waiver and be deemed not to be cheating.

What the promo outfits have done, to ensure their big money fighters are not ruined by a single dirty test is, they have negotiated with USADA to compromise this rule a little, where before you needed to present waiver well before testing, now exceptions could be made for it after the fact. This little change, ends up being a big change.

I'm not saying USADA is corrupt, and that Floyd is secretly buddies with the head, I'm saying fighters figured out how to game the system, game USADA. Dr. Hausers Floyd allegations just sounds so damned credible, detailed and believable. I'm not saying Floyd is cheating for sure, just that USADA clearing him doesn't prove anything to me. Ultimately, you need real proof to condemn someone, yet Floyd hasn't followed Nonitos lead in random testing despite all he says.

VADA may have been created for your reasons, but it was also created to plug all the loopholes, USADA does not require random testing, VADA does. This change in protocal tells you all you need to know about who is more serious about catching cheats.

There are definitely some athletes that can try to take advantage through their own legitimate health issues. But USADA has experience with that in that they regularly deal with Olympic athletes trying to cheat and beat the system. Testing will never be fool-proof though. But it's way better than nothing.

Many fighters haven't done random drug testing enough to know how to game the system unless they were involved with the Olympics. And gaming the system is not cheap, it is expensive.

Hauser is not credible. He has had an agenda against Mayweather for quite some time. I remember on a YouTube interview he says that if Floyd beats Guerrero, then that means the fight was rigged. Really ridiculous stuff.

VADA wasn't created to plug loopholes. The motive was mainly financial. In the beginning their policies were too wide open. They gave way too much power to the athlete. They changed some of those policies now, but below you can get a glimpse of what it was before... Plus the first question BS asks still remains, VADA refuses to publicly disclose dates and results.

BoxingScene.com: USADA has released dates and results for its testing. I havent seen that kind of information from VADA beyond 1) when a fighter tests positive or, 2) when all the tests have come back, and theres a summary on your website saying, in essence, 'Shane Mosley and Canelo Alvarez have completed their VADA testing.' Will there be more information provided in terms of dates and results for each test?

Goodman: If the athlete requests it.

BoxingScene.com: As for the timing, when would that happen for the results, say, of a positive test?

Goodman: It depends on what the athletes agreed to. Obviously if theres a confirmed sample, it gets released right away. As far as releasing it earlier than that [such as for an A sample being positive], then that is discussed at the time they enroll with our organization."

[Ray*]

Both test 4:1 levels, at least for champions.

Not sure if they both test for the same levels now, but I remember correctly how Barry Hunter claimed VADA test for a lower level etc

[radioraheem]

What's interesting is that there are people on both sides who are against testing in one of those threads. Those who question Hopkins because they hated the focus being on Pacquiao...and diehard Pacquiao fans who said proof must be provided first