Comments Thread For: Pascal Slams Lack of PED Testing, Team Kovalev Respond

[HanzGruber]

I know that, you agreed with Im'Dazed saying Duva picking the dates makes the test not random. Well, Klimas said they agree to random testing.

they clearly didnt agree if they changed it and said 15 days before the fight..

[radioraheem]

The fact that you do not recognize that they have different testing protocols which have been outlined many many times, means you probably should stop typing. As has been repeated a million times, regardless of the tests, USADA and VADA have DIFFERENT testing Protocols.

THIS is a cold stone fact. They are not the same at all. Why was VADA created if they are the exact same? Google is your friend. Conte has done longass comprehensive interviews how COMPLETELY different the testing protocols and tests are with VADA. One of the biggest issues in the difference is the waivers. In fact, Peterson got a waiver after the fact, and hoping to suppress the test, given the common use of waivers.

And VADA use the labs with the latest tests. They are not bound to any lab, like USADA is. They do different tests FACT.

http://www.*************.com/showthr...=402520&page=3

Unless, you seriously think VADA was created to do the exact samething as USADA? You need to read a bit on VADA. The WHOLE point of VADA is to circumvent all the BS, and it works.

These CIR tests is a new thing, and was only used by VADA. Why did the urine test of the first fight against Peterson yield nothing? Cuz they didn't do this new test.

Again, USADA and VADA only take samples and then send them to the same exact UCLA lab for results. They don't conduct their own tests internally. And they both abide by the same exact WADA code.

VADA was created mainly because at the time USADA was the only program around in professional boxing. But their prices they were asking for were too high to be used by lesser named fighters. So in comes VADA, offering a much cheaper version, and at tiimes offering sponsorships so that the athlete may not have to pay for the test.

Second, Peterson didn't use a waiver. He had the choice of telling VADA to not allow anyone to see his positive A-sample until the B-sample returned. That was VADA policy at the time (it's no longer the case now). Also, Peterson's samples were mostly clean. It was only his samples from very early on, like the first week, that were positive. Everything afterwards was clean.

Finally, again, you are completely clueless if you think VADA is not bound to any lab. VADA exclusively uses WADA-accredited labs to get results for samples. There are only TWO WADA accredited labs in the entire United States. Once is the UCLA lab (which VADA and USADA send samples to). The other is in Utah (NSAC uses this one when they do advanced random drug testing).

[arraamis]

Since 2009.

[MDPopescu]

You are totally wrong, USADA pursued Armstrong till they use his teammate to get him, they knew he was dirty and they went after him but he was alway one step ahead with help from different sources. Even when he tested dirty it was NOT USADA who swept it under the carpet, that was the cycling world that swept it under the carpet because of his name, influence and money that Armstrong donated to them. USADA pursue him to the day he confesses.

You should write a movie script... (USADA would finance you).

[bojangles1987]

Kovalev's side asked for testing going into the Hopkins fight, why in the world would they be against it going into this fight? Geez.

[Heavyfist]

Again, USADA and VADA only take samples and then send them to the same exact UCLA lab for results. They don't conduct their own tests internally. And they both abide by the same exact WADA code.

VADA was created mainly because at the time USADA was the only program around in professional boxing. But their prices they were asking for were too high to be used by lesser named fighters. So in comes VADA, offering a much cheaper version, and at tiimes offering sponsorships so that the athlete may not have to pay for the test.

Second, Peterson didn't use a waiver. He had the choice of telling VADA to not allow anyone to see his positive A-sample until the B-sample returned. That was VADA policy at the time (it's no longer the case now). Also, Peterson's samples were mostly clean. It was only his samples from very early on, like the first week, that were positive. Everything afterwards was clean.

Finally, again, you are completely clueless if you think VADA is not bound to any lab. VADA exclusively uses WADA-accredited labs to get results for samples. There are only TWO WADA accredited labs in the entire United States. Once is the UCLA lab (which VADA and USADA send samples to). The other is in Utah (NSAC uses this one when they do advanced random drug testing).

You've made your points and I don't disagree with them as you know what you are talking about, but I think you are downplaying the difference in effectiveness between the two.

I don't think USADA is illegally suppressing positive tests, but legally. From everything I've gathered, if a fighter has some unusual condition that requires medication that is qualified as PEDs, that fighter can get a waiver and legally fight.

For instance, Steverne might have muscle wasting disease. Muscular dystrophy, along with many many many other severe diseases, are commonly combated with anabolic steroids. So it is forseeable that Steverne could be allowed to use steroids with a waiver and be deemed not to be cheating.

What the promo outfits have done, to ensure their big money fighters are not ruined by a single dirty test is, they have negotiated with USADA to compromise this rule a little, where before you needed to present waiver well before testing, now exceptions could be made for it after the fact. This little change, ends up being a big change.

I'm not saying USADA is corrupt, and that Floyd is secretly buddies with the head, I'm saying fighters figured out how to game the system, game USADA. Dr. Hausers Floyd allegations just sounds so damned credible, detailed and believable. I'm not saying Floyd is cheating for sure, just that USADA clearing him doesn't prove anything to me. Ultimately, you need real proof to condemn someone, yet Floyd hasn't followed Nonitos lead in random testing despite all he says.

VADA may have been created for your reasons, but it was also created to plug all the loopholes, USADA does not require random testing, VADA does. This change in protocal tells you all you need to know about who is more serious about catching cheats.

[Vasyl’s dad]

where was all the hate when ward and hopkins didn't wanna get tested?

People were talking about it, including myself, you just chose to ignore it.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=448696

Looks like you conveniently ignored that.


Oh, looks like you missed out on this one too.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=482594



btw, the excuses people give in those threads are freaking hilarious, but expect every other fighter to take tests.

[Ray*]

You should write a movie script... (USADA would finance you).

Arum is already footing my bill...

[Ray*]

You've made your points and I don't disagree with them as you know what you are talking about, but I think you are downplaying the difference in effectiveness between the two.

I don't think USADA is illegally suppressing positive tests, but legally. From everything I've gathered, if a fighter has some unusual condition that requires medication that is qualified as PEDs, that fighter can get a waiver and legally fight.

For instance, Steverne might have muscle wasting disease. Muscular dystrophy, along with many many many other severe diseases, are commonly combated with anabolic steroids. So it is forseeable that Steverne could be allowed to use steroids with a waiver and be deemed not to be cheating.

What the promo outfits have done, to ensure their big money fighters are not ruined by a single dirty test is, they have negotiated with USADA to compromise this rule a little, where before you needed to present waiver well before testing, now exceptions could be made for it after the fact. This little change, ends up being a big change. I'm not saying USADA is corrupt, and that Floyd is secretly buddies with the head, I'm saying fighters figured out how to game the system, game USADA. Dr. Hausers Floyd allegations just sounds so damned credible, detailed and believable.

VADA may have been created for your reasons, but it was also created to plug all the loopholes, USADA does not require random testing, VADA does. This change in protocal tells you all you need to know about who is more serious about catching cheats.

VADA also have a waiver, they did so with Pederson. And both VADA and USADA do require random testing. There is zero difference in what they do. The head of VADA herself confirm/claims this. The only difference is VADA are cheaper whilst USADA protocol are quite expensive.

[Ray*]

Kovalev's side asked for testing going into the Hopkins fight, why in the world would they be against it going into this fight? Geez.

That's why am surprise by how unreachable Duva seems to be right now. They shouldn't have a problem with it since they were quite vocal about it against Hopkins and they don't even have to pay for this one.