Comments Thread For: Garcia, Guerrero, Porter Reject Roc Nation Offers?

[Canvas]

There are a couple of people on here who clearly don't understand the difference between a promoter and managerial contract. It's not interference if Haymon is a manager, and Roc nation is a promoter. Technically those fighters are promotional free agents and fair targets for offers.

I wonder if roc nation is trying to build evidence to file an official complaint over Haymon violating the Ali Act...which he very obviously is.

[davidandrei]

Exactly. Haymon is not that dumb to just leave his fighters open to external temptations. Otherwise, every new promotional outfit with fat bank account could buy every fighter they want. That's why these reports are annoying. There are no clarifications. All it takes is a few phone calls. Can they or can't they?

i thought in the contract, haymon fighters arent allowd to even do any negotiations without his consent and any decision they make can be vetod by Haymon. Probably RN has to send any offers directly to Haymon but haymon dont even read them ****s so for all we know Roc nation sends an email to Haymon Re: Offer 40mil for broner and the actual email is probably 8===D~~~~ then also a pic of jay z hov sign.

[GRUSTLER]

Haymon is an adviser while Golden Boy, Top Rank, SMS and Roc Nation are promoters so they can offer fighters contracts to represent them as promoters but Haymon is the most powerful adviser in boxing. Why would you leave that experience, expertise and know how to join a new jack? Haymon just got the NBC deal. Them dudes would have been crazy to jump ship without Haymon's approval.

[mercenario]

The contract template was part of the Duva lawsuit, the contract it's out there. in my opinion is a slave contract, all these boxers want to be like Floyd and PPV atractions are only a few per generation. Name one PPV star developed by GBP, Al Haymon or Mayweather promotions. I'm exited because now Al Haymon needs ratings and that means good fights. He has the talent to at it by itself. He should do a tournament, with his 140/147 talent random bracket single elimination.

[wlliam]

There are a couple of people on here who clearly don't understand the difference between a promoter and managerial contract. It's not interference if Haymon is a manager, and Roc nation is a promoter. Technically those fighters are promotional free agents and fair targets for offers.

I wonder if roc nation is trying to build evidence to file an official complaint over Haymon violating the Ali Act...which he very obviously is.

Haymon violating Ali act, how so?

[wlliam]

originally i thought haymon was just going to represent all the boxers and get max value out of them by not letting them sign long term contracts and force promoters to shell out more money by bidding on those fights, maybe in some kind of purse bid-like system. This wouldve been great for boxers and fans and ****ty for promoters and networks.

i agree with you that they have leverage but they arent doing **** with it. he is takin his fighters and running away with them to his own shop. i thought the point was to share so much that people who want a piece has to pay a big premium. unless he is basically taking them away from the promoters now to put them out of business and at his mercy 5 years from now. but a long term plan like that prevents many fights and ****s many fans.

Promoters bidding on Haymon cards may very well be the case, thats exactly what i was thinking too, its great for his outfit and his fighters as well.

I have a question, as far as promoters go, just how much are they really needed? Do you absolutely need to be a promoter to stage an event and get a fight sanctioned? Ive always thought of a promoter as just having the right connections and in some cases, an unnecessary middleman who takes a big chunk of a fighters earnings. Actually gonna look that up myself. Haymon basically has all the experience, knowledge, & connections as a promoter should without taking a big chunk of the fighters purse.

Haymon can very well be a promoters nightmare, with the structure of the contracts he has wih his fighters, fighters under other banners may very well let their contract expire and go sign with Haymon, because the grass is greener on ther side.

[radioraheem]

Promoters bidding on Haymon cards may very well be the case, thats exactly what i was thinking too, its great for his outfit and his fighters as well.

I have a question, as far as promoters go, just how much are they really needed? Do you absolutely need to be a promoter to stage an event and get a fight sanctioned? Ive always thought of a promoter as just having the right connections and in some cases, an unnecessary middleman who takes a big chunk of a fighters earnings. Actually gonna look that up myself. Haymon basically has all the experience, knowledge, & connections as a promoter should without taking a big chunk of the fighters purse.

Haymon can very well be a promoters nightmare, with the structure of the contracts he has wih his fighters, fighters under other banners may very well let their contract expire and go sign with Haymon, because the grass is greener on ther side.

Yes, Promoters need a license for whatever state they are staging an event. They aren't an unnecessary middleman. They are the ones usually taking the financial risk. But after a certain point, once a fighter becomes a star, it's more like the Networks that take the financial risk and really are the ones putting up the money. And then at that point it's like the Networks are the Promoters, but without the title.

[Eastcoast]

Promoters bidding on Haymon cards may very well be the case, thats exactly what i was thinking too, its great for his outfit and his fighters as well.

I have a question, as far as promoters go, just how much are they really needed? Do you absolutely need to be a promoter to stage an event and get a fight sanctioned? Ive always thought of a promoter as just having the right connections and in some cases, an unnecessary middleman who takes a big chunk of a fighters earnings. Actually gonna look that up myself. Haymon basically has all the experience, knowledge, & connections as a promoter should without taking a big chunk of the fighters purse.

Haymon can very well be a promoters nightmare, with the structure of the contracts he has wih his fighters, fighters under other banners may very well let their contract expire and go sign with Haymon, because the grass is greener on ther side.

As radioraheem pointed out, promoters are legally required in order to stage an event in the US. They're held responsible for revenue/expense reporting to the government en****** as well as coordination of health & safety services. A way to ensure not any billy bob swindler can come along and stage a big event that turns into a public disaster.

[Scipio2009]

There are a couple of people on here who clearly don't understand the difference between a promoter and managerial contract. It's not interference if Haymon is a manager, and Roc nation is a promoter. Technically those fighters are promotional free agents and fair targets for offers.

I wonder if roc nation is trying to build evidence to file an official complaint over Haymon violating the Ali Act...which he very obviously is.

As long as Haymon has the strong relationship with Espinoza (Showtime) and his other budding TV relationships, in addition to working relationships with promoters around the country (Goosen, DiBella, Warriors, Sampson, Mayweather) and the world (GYM, Matchroom Sport), there's absolutely no need for Haymon to have any of his fighters exclusive to Roc Nation, especially with Roc Nation not bringing along any TV.

If Roc Nation manages a way to, let's say, take over the FS1 output deal that Golden Boy has, maybe Haymon would add Roc Nation to the slate of promoters that he does business with.

[gamesworn]

What does pacquaio have to do with dudes statement. He chooses to resign with Arum, again that's a choice he as a man makes for the best interest of his family. I love this perception that everyone in boxing should/could be their own boss, not everyone is built for that. There are a lot of risks when you are your own boss,overhead, attention to details that some folks don't want to deal with. 99% of boxing would take 20 plus million guaranteed per fight but that's just my opinion.

I agree with you