Comments Thread For: Garcia, Guerrero, Porter Reject Roc Nation Offers?

[FrankieBruno]

Rocnation said they never made any offer to Broner

[turnedup]

Oh yeah kinda like Bob Arum huh? And Pacs loyalty to his master? Right?

What does pacquaio have to do with dudes statement. He chooses to resign with Arum, again that's a choice he as a man makes for the best interest of his family. I love this perception that everyone in boxing should/could be their own boss, not everyone is built for that. There are a lot of risks when you are your own boss,overhead, attention to details that some folks don't want to deal with. 99% of boxing would take 20 plus million guaranteed per fight but that's just my opinion.

[heathen]

Im a bit skeptical of these reports, because with both Iskowitz and Shaw on board at Roc, two VERY experienced boxing guys, they know damn well you cant just go around offering deals to fighters that already have known representation. Its called tortious interference, and neither Shaw or Isky are dumb enough to try that nonsense.

But the bigger laugh is Guerrero saying "loyalty is more important than money", considering he just recently sued to try and get out of his contract with Golden Boy

Good point, so true.

[davidandrei]

why do you guys keep saying steal from haymon or take fighter from haymon? by saying that you are admitting haymon is a promotional entity. a fighter has the legal right to be signed to his manager/advisor and a promoter at the same time. its only wrong if rocnation was trying to sign someone signed haymon and also to gbp or top rank.

if its wrong for Rocnation "trying to steal from Haymon", then why is it ok when Haymon stole them from GBP or Top rank or whatever?

[sirron000]

Im a bit skeptical of these reports, because with both Iskowitz and Shaw on board at Roc, two VERY experienced boxing guys, they know damn well you cant just go around offering deals to fighters that already have known representation. Its called tortious interference, and neither Shaw or Isky are dumb enough to try that nonsense.

But the bigger laugh is Guerrero saying "loyalty is more important than money", considering he just recently sued to try and get out of his contract with Golden Boy

But would it be a difference if RN was coming from a promoter stance?

[wlliam]

why do you guys keep saying steal from haymon or take fighter from haymon? by saying that you are admitting haymon is a promotional entity. a fighter has the legal right to be signed to his manager/advisor and a promoter at the same time. its only wrong if rocnation was trying to sign someone signed haymon and also to gbp or top rank.

if its wrong for Rocnation "trying to steal from Haymon", then why is it ok when Haymon stole them from GBP or Top rank or whatever?

Technically hes a manager but we all know the deal. Hes just as connected as a promoter should be but without a contract that binds his fighter(s) to that single promottional stable, with all the potential promotional partners he can have, al and his fighters have more leverage. I think its a game changer honestly.

[wlliam]

What does pacquaio have to do with dudes statement. He chooses to resign with Arum, again that's a choice he as a man makes for the best interest of his family. I love this perception that everyone in boxing should/could be their own boss, not everyone is built for that. There are a lot of risks when you are your own boss,overhead, attention to details that some folks don't want to deal with. 99% of boxing would take 20 plus million guaranteed per fight but that's just my opinion.

If you knew who my comment was originally intended for you'ld understand

But youre right, in order for the "im my own boss" model to work, a fighter must be a proven commpdity and brand in the sport with the right connections and resources.

[OnePunch]

Those fighters all lack promotional representation, which is distinctly different than what they have with Al. I imagine RN would love for someone to push tortious interference in regards to those fighters. It would give the Ali Act some teeth.

great point, I had forgotten that their GBP deals lapsed.......

[davidandrei]

Technically hes a manager but we all know the deal. Hes just as connected as a promoter should be but without a contract that binds his fighter(s) to that single promottional stable, with all the potential promotional partners he can have, al and his fighters have more leverage. I think its a game changer honestly.

originally i thought haymon was just going to represent all the boxers and get max value out of them by not letting them sign long term contracts and force promoters to shell out more money by bidding on those fights, maybe in some kind of purse bid-like system. This wouldve been great for boxers and fans and ****ty for promoters and networks.

i agree with you that they have leverage but they arent doing **** with it. he is takin his fighters and running away with them to his own shop. i thought the point was to share so much that people who want a piece has to pay a big premium. unless he is basically taking them away from the promoters now to put them out of business and at his mercy 5 years from now. but a long term plan like that prevents many fights and ****s many fans.

[Bullrider]

Im a bit skeptical of these reports, because with both Iskowitz and Shaw on board at Roc, two VERY experienced boxing guys, they know damn well you cant just go around offering deals to fighters that already have known representation. Its called tortious interference, and neither Shaw or Isky are dumb enough to try that nonsense.

Exactly. Haymon is not that dumb to just leave his fighters open to external temptations. Otherwise, every new promotional outfit with fat bank account could buy every fighter they want. That's why these reports are annoying. There are no clarifications. All it takes is a few phone calls. Can they or can't they?