Who has Vitali fought since coming back...

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Ok, so why is it so hard for you to give Wilder credit then?

Because I don't rate Stiverne very high, man. That's why. I Like Wilder, I like Wilder a lot. I want to give him all the praise in teh world but I'm not going to lie to myself. I never thought highly of Stiverne to begin with so I can't just suddenly praise Wilder for a win over someone I never thought highly of in the first place.

That's subjective. it's my personal feeling on the win.

[Brown Pride]

Not a bum, agreed. But is he really at the top of the division? He hasn't fought enough names to really know. I think haye would knock him out, for example. I think Fury would beat him as well. and I believe he'd lose to Pov.

He'd be in a good fight with Takam that I think he'd win via KO, not sure about Perez (who is a complete WTF atm) and Glazkov is in the discussion, too. I just don't know how good stiverne is... no one does. He beat Arreola. We can't really gauge anything.

All I do know is that Wilder did what I expected him to do and I look foward to seeing where he goes from here. I'm sure we all are.

He was, until posters predictively thought he wasn't after the fight was over mind you!

[Brown Pride]

Because I don't rate Stiverne very high, man. That's why. I Like Wilder, I like Wilder a lot. I want to give him all the praise in teh world but I'm not going to lie to myself. I never thought highly of Stiverne to begin with so I can't just suddenly praise Wilder for a win over someone I never thought highly of in the first place.

That's subjective. it's my personal feeling on the win.

So certain fighters shouldn't get credit for wins then? Gotcha.

[Cutthroat]

Not nearly as valiant as Chisora.

Wilder is a harder puncher than Vitali, who has always been an accumulation puncher even in his prime. Wilder has more 1 punch KO power, he put Stiverne down but it wasn't counted. Stiverne stood there and ate power shots for 12 rounds.

Wilder did a great job of boxing off his back foot.

[intoccabile]

He was, until posters predictively thought he wasn't after the fight was over mind you!

I understand that peopel were ranking him high, and he held a title (via vacancy) but did did he earn his position? That's the question I guess we have to ask. and did he beat the right guy for the vacant strap?

None the less, a lot of people praised him and I saw the poll. It was like 164 for Wilder and 144 for stiverne and like 25 for (hard to pick) or something. So that's pretty even.

You're hundred percent right. I personally just don't think a 36 year old heavyweight who won a vacant title from a journeyman is anything special. I sitll think Scott is Wilders best win and that speaks volumes.. but I have my own opinion on that too LOL. I'm not sure if you feel teh way I feel about that Kayo.. but I won't get into that.

[Brown Pride]

Wilder is a harder puncher than Vitali, who has always been an accumulation puncher even in his prime. Wilder has more 1 punch KO power, he put Stiverne down but it wasn't counted. Stiverne stood there and ate power shots for 12 rounds.

Wilder did a great job of boxing off his back foot.

Though he did *** up tyson conqueror Danny Williams doe!

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Wilder is a harder puncher than Vitali, who has always been an accumulation puncher even in his prime. Wilder has more 1 punch KO power, he put Stiverne down but it wasn't counted. Stiverne stood there and ate power shots for 12 rounds.

Wilder did a great job of boxing off his back foot.

He did exactly what I said he'd do.. what are we arguing?

I know he hits harder than Vitali. Vitali hits harder than Austin. This fight looked EXACTLY LIKE THE RAY AUSTIN FIGHT. Cept the big guy didn't get tired this time.

[Brown Pride]

I understand that peopel were ranking him high, and he held a title (via vacancy) but did did he earn his position? That's the question I guess we have to ask. and did he beat the right guy for the vacant strap?

None the less, a lot of people praised him and I saw the poll. It was like 164 for Wilder and 144 for stiverne and like 25 for (hard to pick) or something. So that's pretty even.

You're hundred percent right. I personally just don't think a 36 year old heavyweight who won a vacant title from a journeyman is anything special. I sitll think Scott is Wilders best win and that speaks volumes.. but I have my own opinion on that too LOL. I'm not sure if you feel teh way I feel about that Kayo.. but I won't get into that.

Well he did beat Arreola who was no.3 in the HW division for the WBC rankins behind stiverne. Who was Stiverne supposed to fight? Ruiz, Helenious, Valuev,Povetkin, Who?

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Well he did beat Arreola who was no.3 in the HW division for the WBC rankins behind stiverne. Who was Stiverne supposed to fight? Ruiz, Helenious, Valuev,Povetkin, Who?

I believe at the time he won the title in 2013 year, haye Pov, Chagaev and perez were all better options than Arreola. Would you agree?

Don't forget, he won the title beginning of 2013

Abdusalamov was a better option too, IMO. Jennings was on Bar and so was Adamek and Cunningham IMO.

I know Arreola was ranked high for WBC.. but overall, he was behind a lot of decent contenders.

[Cutthroat]

He did exactly what I said he'd do.. what are we arguing?

I know he hits harder than Vitali. Vitali hits harder than Austin. This fight looked EXACTLY LIKE THE RAY AUSTIN FIGHT. Cept the big guy didn't get tired this time.

So if he hits harder than Vitali, and nailed Stiverne in the face with those punches for 12 rounds, while rarely getting hit himself, what does that say about Stiverne's chin?

What kind of conclusion can you draw from those two things?