Who has Vitali fought since coming back...

[Foreign Soil]

I believe at the time he won the title in 2013 year, haye Pov, Chagaev and perez were all better options than Arreola. Would you agree?

Don't forget, he won the title beginning of 2013

Abdusalamov was a better option too, IMO. Jennings was on Bar and so was Adamek and Cunningham IMO.

I know Arreola was ranked high for WBC.. but overall, he was behind a lot of decent contenders.

This guy is a bum alt, no use trying.

[intoccabile]

So if he hits harder than Vitali, and nailed Stiverne in the face with those punches for 12 rounds, while rarely getting hit himself, what does that say about Stiverne's chin?

What kind of conclusion can you draw from those two things?

Did I say anywhere that Stiverne didn't have a chin? I'm so confused.. why are you asking me this? I think you have my confused with someone else.

[intoccabile]

This guy is a bum alt, no use trying.

How am I a bum alt? answer the question.

I told you all the fighters that in 2013 were better opponents than Arreola. So wtf?

[Cutthroat]

Did I say anywhere that Stiverne didn't have a chin? I'm so confused.. why are you asking me this? I think you have my confused with someone else.

The quality of Stiverne, that's what we're debating. He's a quality fighter, better or just as good as anybody Vitali has faced since his comeback.

[Foreign Soil]

How am I a bum alt? answer the question.

I told you all the fighters that in 2013 were better opponents than Arreola. So wtf?

I meant the user you're replying to. Look at the join date.

[Brown Pride]

I believe at the time he won the title in 2013 year, haye Pov, Chagaev and perez were all better options than Arreola. Would you agree?

Don't forget, he won the title beginning of 2013

Abdusalamov was a better option too, IMO. Jennings was on Bar and so was Adamek and Cunningham IMO.

I know Arreola was ranked high for WBC.. but overall, he was behind a lot of decent contenders.

Maybe haye, Povetkin lost to Klitcko, Chagaev caught a disease,and perez lost to Jennings. Arreola at least beat Mitchell who the WBC thought very highly of for the mando spot, so Arreola was justified and Stiverne was the true WBC HW champ. I don't see what the problem is?

[Brown Pride]

This guy is a bum alt, no use trying.

At least I'm arguing valid pojnts! Your a punk who can't give red k!

[Brown Pride]

I meant the user you're replying to. Look at the join date.

Why am i an Alt? You said it yourself NSB lingo or terms, whatever the *** you said and now you're using it! what's an Alt?

[intoccabile]

The quality of Stiverne, that's what we're debating. He's a quality fighter, better or just as good as anybody Vitali has faced since his comeback.

You're telling me he has a good chin.. so many BUMS have good chins. I'm not sure how that makes him a great fighter overall just because he withstood some heavy blows by a power puncher.

Great fighters earn that title.. he hasn't earned it yet. that's all I'm saying.. yikes. You guys are crucifying me for what, exactly? because I don't think highly of the guy and back up my reasons why logical arguments? Come on! He hasn't beaten anyone, that's a damn fact. No body, NOBODY should be given that much praise without earning it. I don't care if it's my damn brother (someone i'd be bias for). You gotta earn that praise.

But styles make fights.. and judging by the performances where Stiverne had to deal with a tall guy in front of him.. I think it's obvious Stiverne doesn't look as good as he actually is against those measurements. It's just something he doesn't seem to be very comfortable with.

[Brown Pride]

More red k? 80S fighter AKA Total Stud, you can't give me Red K!