Welterweight champion status "vacant"?

[SilverMiles]

Marquez was beaten by Mayweather. So It wouldnt make sense to rank him #1 when Mayweather beat him

So basically the #2 fighter can just wait for the #3 fighter to beat the #1 fighter. Then the #2 fighter just slides into the #1 ranking because of a victory he held over the #3 fighter from 3 years ago.

See that doesn't make sense to me. You can just wait it out fighting weaker comp or flash in the pan fighters while the #1 fighters fights stronger opposition. Then when the #1 fighter loses you can just slide right into #1.

[Larry the boss]

... Ask Jake Donovan -- the managing editor of Boxing Scene... he's member of that NGO (Transnational Boxing Rankings Board)...

Yep yet Floyd is recongnized as lineal on this site

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Floyd is the champ at 147 and 154... Everyone just needs to accept that

[LouIE G]

PAC has the ONLY win between himself and FMJ over a PRIME ELITE welter
As my boy twosweethooks would say

But according to you, bradley won a robbery the first fight against pacquaio, and then you say bradley beat provo by robbery too? So how can you even consider a fighter who you feel won 2 robberies elite all of a sudden? Stop jas

[Boxing lives]

I think it's ******. People know who the champion is.

i know. its clearly kell brook. beating shawn porter. he's the class at WW

[Pigeons]

Floyd retired June 8, 2008 vacating the WW throne.

Cotto vs. Margarito was #1 vs. #4 according to the Ring. Williams and Mosley were rated in between. Williams' ranking I do not agree with as he had lost to Quintana earlier that year and even though he avenged it, it ended up being his last fight at WW in June '08. Margarito destroyed Cotto.

Margarito vs. Mosley was #1 vs. #3 according to the Ring. Paul Williams had moved on from the division and Cotto was ranked #2. Even though Mosley lost a close fight to Cotto, the general consensus was that Margarito vs. Mosley was really #1 vs. #2 because of how badly Cotto was beaten by Margarito a couple months prior. It would have been illogical to force Margarito to fight Cotto again to gain lineage as he had massacred Cotto half a year prior and Cotto was not even interested in an immediate rematch at the time. Therefore, the current WW lineage started with Margarito vs. Mosley, Mosley wins the vacant WW crown and lost it to Mayweather in his first defense of that crown.

It's kind of silly how the Ring had Cotto at #2 above Mosley after getting badly KO'd by Margarito just because he won a decision vs. Mosley, but the Ring had Marco Huck two spots above Steve Cunningham even though Cunningham had knocked out Huck and only had a close loss to Adamek afterwards.

[daggum]

Floyd retired June 8, 2008 vacating the WW throne.

Cotto vs. Margarito was #1 vs. #4 according to the Ring. Williams and Mosley were rated in between. Williams' ranking I do not agree with as he had lost to Quintana earlier that year and even though he avenged it, it ended up being his last fight at WW in June '08. Margarito destroyed Cotto.

Margarito vs. Mosley was #1 vs. #3 according to the Ring. Paul Williams had moved on from the division and Cotto was ranked #2. Even though Mosley lost a close fight to Cotto, the general consensus was that Margarito vs. Mosley was really #1 vs. #2 because of how badly Cotto was beaten by Margarito a couple months prior. It would have been illogical to force Margarito to fight Cotto again to gain lineage as he had massacred Cotto half a year prior and Cotto was not even interested in an immediate rematch at the time. Therefore, the current WW lineage started with Margarito vs. Mosley, Mosley wins the vacant WW crown and lost it to Mayweather in his first defense of that crown.

It's kind of silly how the Ring had Cotto at #2 above Mosley after getting badly KO'd by Margarito just because he won a decision vs. Mosley, but the Ring had Marco Huck two spots above Steve Cunningham even though Cunningham had knocked out Huck and only had a close loss to Adamek afterwards.

how is that silly? the #1 and #2 guys fought each other so someone had to win and someone had to lose it doesn't mean they still aren't the #1 and #2 guys. why would mosley who hadn't done anything at ww slide into #2 simply because the #2 guy lost to the #1? shouldn't' it be a merit based system? if pac beats floyd or floyd beats pac would bradley become #2? not in my world.

[Pigeons]

how is that silly? the #1 and #2 guys fought each other so someone had to win and someone had to lose it doesn't mean they still aren't the #1 and #2 guys. why would mosley who hadn't done anything at ww slide into #2 simply because the #2 guy lost to the #1? shouldn't' it be a merit based system? if pac beats floyd or floyd beats pac would bradley become #2? not in my world.

The narrative of the fight matters. Cotto-Margarito was actually #1 vs. #4 according to the Ring, but let's assume they were #1 and #2, and Margarito won a close boxing match, I would have no problem dropping Cotto only one spot to #2, but when one fighter beats the other guy down and literally makes him submit in the ring, the losing fighters has to lose more than 1 place in the rankings IMO. Cotto was beaten so badly he did not even seek an immediate rematch. After the way Margarito won and with Williams leaving the division, it was fair to crown the Margarito-Mosley winner as lineal champ in the division.

That is just my opinion, it's all subjective.

[oc9979]

The narrative of the fight matters. Cotto-Margarito was actually #1 vs. #4 according to the Ring, but let's assume they were #1 and #2, and Margarito won a close boxing match, I would have no problem dropping Cotto only one spot to #2, but when one fighter beats the other guy down and literally makes him submit in the ring, the losing fighters has to lose more than 1 place in the rankings IMO. Cotto was beaten so badly he did not even seek an immediate rematch. After the way Margarito won and with Williams leaving the division, it was fair to crown the Margarito-Mosley winner as lineal champ in the division.

That is just my opinion, it's all subjective.

1. It doesn't matter how you lose. Cotto beat Mosley so It wouldnt be fair to put Mosley ahead of Cotto. So by your standard. After Mosley beat Margarito and lets assume he did not get caught cheating. The ranks should have been 1 Mosley, 2 Cotto and 3 Margarito.
2. Cotto did not want an immediate rematch?? Cotto vs Margarito was going to happen June of 2009. Margarito vs Mosley was suppose to be a tune up that did not work out. Margarito got caught cheating and lost by KO

[oc9979]

http://www.15rounds.com/margarito-mo...ary-24-112508/

Arum said that regardless of whether Margarito wins or loses, he would still move forward with a summer rematch with Cotto.