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  • Build That Wall
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    #31
    Originally posted by anthonydavid11
    The sport has had it's ups and downs. I remember in the 1990s when I would go into a Wal-Mart to the magazine section and find copies of The Ring, Boxing '93('94, '95, etc.), Boxing Illustrated, KO and others but now? If I am lucky, they occasionally have The Ring.

    Now you may be thinking this is a product of the digital age we live in. But still, why don't those other magazines have digital copies for download? Again, you can make the argument that there are still tons of boxing websites. You could be right.

    However, when baseball, basketball and football have their regular games as well as their major events free for all to watch and boxing requires payment to view any major event with few regular events available, you have to wonder how anyone could be surprised that it's popularity has declined.

    Has it declined?

    Well, I challenge you to walk into any bar and listen to the patrons talk about sports and I guarantee you are more likely to hear about the other three sports or if you even hear about boxing, it's going to be Pacquiao or Mayweather- the two guys who can't seem to ever fight each other.

    Not good for the sport to say the least.

    So with this current state being reality, what would a casual observer want to see from the occasion they happen to see a boxing match? My guess is a lot of action, a lot of punching, some knockdowns and probably a knockout.

    Does Mayweather deliver on any of these things?

    There is usually little action, few punches from himself, zero knockdowns and never a knockout. He wins fights and for some hardcore boxing fans, he proves to be slick and know where to be in the ring and how to land pretty outside punches the judges score points for. So for those fans, all is fine. But to the casual observer?

    Boxing needs fighters- ACTION fighters. While Pacquioa has not scored a knockout in a while, his fights always feature plenty of punches and lots of action and as in his last fight, plenty of knockdowns. What about Wladimir Klitschko? Usually scores a knockout and usually a knockdown and generally throws plenty of punches. GGG? Always a knockout with knockdowns and plenty of heavy punches that get reactions from casual observers who could turn into hardcore fans. Marquez? He usually makes for an entertaining fight and sometimes gets knockouts or knockdowns at least, although I dare say he is the most exciting either. Counterpunchers rarely are.

    The point is that hoisting up a guy who has such a low crowd pleasing style is not a good move for the sport. How he has managed to sell tickets is the idea that he could lose for the most part. But casual fans get turned off by watching him and in the end, are less likely to watch another fight. I understand that ratings are what they are and even the best is not necessarily ranked number one for reasons such as what they have done lately and landing the fight to prove themselves.

    In closing, I think Mayweather is given too much praise overall. No matter how good you are, if your style is dull, how are you good for the sport?
    Apparently not seeing as he gets most of his money from the casuals that keep on purchasing his PPVs.

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      #32
      Originally posted by anthonydavid11
      The sport has had it's ups and downs. I remember in the 1990s when I would go into a Wal-Mart to the magazine section and find copies of The Ring, Boxing '93('94, '95, etc.), Boxing Illustrated, KO and others but now? If I am lucky, they occasionally have The Ring.

      Now you may be thinking this is a product of the digital age we live in. But still, why don't those other magazines have digital copies for download? Again, you can make the argument that there are still tons of boxing websites. You could be right.

      However, when baseball, basketball and football have their regular games as well as their major events free for all to watch and boxing requires payment to view any major event with few regular events available, you have to wonder how anyone could be surprised that it's popularity has declined.

      Has it declined?

      Well, I challenge you to walk into any bar and listen to the patrons talk about sports and I guarantee you are more likely to hear about the other three sports or if you even hear about boxing, it's going to be Pacquiao or Mayweather- the two guys who can't seem to ever fight each other.

      Not good for the sport to say the least.

      So with this current state being reality, what would a casual observer want to see from the occasion they happen to see a boxing match? My guess is a lot of action, a lot of punching, some knockdowns and probably a knockout.

      Does Mayweather deliver on any of these things?

      There is usually little action, few punches from himself, zero knockdowns and never a knockout. He wins fights and for some hardcore boxing fans, he proves to be slick and know where to be in the ring and how to land pretty outside punches the judges score points for. So for those fans, all is fine. But to the casual observer?

      Boxing needs fighters- ACTION fighters. While Pacquioa has not scored a knockout in a while, his fights always feature plenty of punches and lots of action and as in his last fight, plenty of knockdowns. What about Wladimir Klitschko? Usually scores a knockout and usually a knockdown and generally throws plenty of punches. GGG? Always a knockout with knockdowns and plenty of heavy punches that get reactions from casual observers who could turn into hardcore fans. Marquez? He usually makes for an entertaining fight and sometimes gets knockouts or knockdowns at least, although I dare say he is the most exciting either. Counterpunchers rarely are.

      The point is that hoisting up a guy who has such a low crowd pleasing style is not a good move for the sport. How he has managed to sell tickets is the idea that he could lose for the most part. But casual fans get turned off by watching him and in the end, are less likely to watch another fight. I understand that ratings are what they are and even the best is not necessarily ranked number one for reasons such as what they have done lately and landing the fight to prove themselves.

      In closing, I think Mayweather is given too much praise overall. No matter how good you are, if your style is dull, how are you good for the sport?
      Wrongdemundo! The Floyd who potshotted Ghost and ran around the ring, is very boring to fight. Now the superslick masterclass who performed Wizardry on JMM was probably amazing to the casual fans. The Floyd who walked down Jumbo Giant Canelo, was amazing to anyone with eyes.

      I first started watching Floyd fight when he faced JMM. I had no clue boxing could be executed on that level. People appreciate greatness. Watching those versions of Floyd is like watching Tiger Woods in his prime, or Mike Jordan in his prime. I have NEVER seen a fighter as sharp as prime Floyd. Just the reflexes alone is like watching a hollagram. Its a shame that some people still dont realize how impossible it is to be THAT perfect in the ring, against these giant fighters half his age and twice his size.

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        #33
        Originally posted by MurkaMan
        Wrongdemundo! The Floyd who potshotted Ghost and ran around the ring, is very boring to fight. Now the superslick masterclass who performed Wizardry on JMM was probably amazing to the casual fans. The Floyd who walked down Jumbo Giant Canelo, was amazing to anyone with eyes.

        I first started watching Floyd fight when he faced JMM. I had no clue boxing could be executed on that level. People appreciate greatness. Watching those versions of Floyd is like watching Tiger Woods in his prime, or Mike Jordan in his prime. I have NEVER seen a fighter as sharp as prime Floyd. Just the reflexes alone is like watching a hollagram. Its a shame that some people still dont realize how impossible it is to be THAT perfect in the ring, against these giant fighters half his age and twice his size.
        I would argue that this is master class against a Hall of Famer and Duran stood right in front of him to do it. No jiving, just business.

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          #34
          Originally posted by anthonydavid11
          I would argue that this is master class against a Hall of Famer and Duran stood right in front of him to do it. No jiving, just business.

          http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xj1N7OxEc
          For some reason the video wont load up, but comparing Duran to Floyd and saying Duran is a masterclass GTFO!?!?!?! LOL Floyd stood right in front of Canelo who was half his age and twice his size. Had zero respect for his power, walked him down, and didnt get hissed. Floyd is the definition of masterclass. Like Prime MJ. Duran is a legend but I wouldnt use the word masterclass to describe him and say he is a masterclass over Floyd? Gone somewhere lol

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            #35
            imo when he was the pretty boy, he was more entertaining to watch as a fighter, than money may...

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              #36
              floyd mayweather is a great boxer

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                #37
                People need to stop blaming other fighters' inadequacies on Mayweather.

                When Mayweather beat Hernández, he went on to beat the other top contenders in his division; he went on to dominate Corrales; he moved up in weight and earned a decisive win over Castillo (after two fights); he continued to move up in weight and continued to fight champions or top contenders.

                A similar pattern can be found with the sport's other top draws e.g. Pacquiao, Cotto and Marquez.

                Compare them to a guy like Danny Garcia: avoided a rematch with Hererra to fight Rod Salka. Compare them to a guy like Canelo, who was stripped naked when he hit the big stage. Compare them to a guy like Provodnikov, who fought Castillo the moment people began to respect his spirited performances in a couple of bouts.

                Whether people like or hate Mayweather, he pushed passed the point of mere interest; he solidified his name in the sport. Someone who can retire an all time great is not killing the sport, as he doesn't actually need to contribute any more to it. The fighters damaging the sport are the up and comers who cherry pick after their first accomplishment.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by MurkaMan
                  For some reason the video wont load up, but comparing Duran to Floyd and saying Duran is a masterclass GTFO!?!?!?! LOL Floyd stood right in front of Canelo who was half his age and twice his size. Had zero respect for his power, walked him down, and didnt get hissed. Floyd is the definition of masterclass. Like Prime MJ. Duran is a legend but I wouldnt use the word masterclass to describe him and say he is a masterclass over Floyd? Gone somewhere lol
                  The video is called Scientific Streetfightingissecting Roberto Duran. Check it out and I think you will be impressed.

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                    #39
                    You sound like a casual thinking all fights should be street fights. Hell majority of the greatest fights in history didn't end in a knockout. Notice the word majority so need for the Hagler vs Hearns reference. Duran himself was a great boxer puncher he was no dumb street fighter. We all love knockouts but majority of those cone against weaker competition which why boxers KO % drop onc cthey hit the elite level.

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                    • torosboxing75
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                      #40
                      IMO, some of what the ts is saying is true. I'll bet casuals probably make up much less then what people realize.
                      You guys fail to take under consideration population growth. Lets say just for fun, for every 100 people born 1 will be a boxing fan. In 1987 earths population was estimated to be around 5 billion. The population now is estimated to be over 7 billion. So these days it's possible to break records with less casuals.
                      Because the percentage of boxing fans might be down but we can still have way more boxing fans then we did in the 80's or 90's. I'm not saying I fully agree with the TS. I'm just saying it is a possibility.

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