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  • bojangles1987
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    #71
    Originally posted by Y0@NN
    You're making it up, and he started to drop at least in the fantasy rankings as soon as he had fought Barker.
    Look it up. Sergio was p4p #3 behind Mayweather and Pacquiao for years. People argued he should be p4p #1. That opinion didn't really change until after the Chavez fight, when he had his injuries. He didn't drop out of the top 5 until after Murray, and even then people clung on and thought he should be there.

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    • Tom Cruise
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      #72
      Fact is P4P top 10 is pretty weak right now. Ordinarily it would be crazy to have a guy with only a handfull of topflight wins way up in the top 5. But who are putting in there ahead of him? Mayweather obviously. Manny Pac (though he hasnt looked great against great opp for years). Wlad Klit? Fooking Bradley? Cotto?

      Resurrect Hopkins for one last run he can prob break into the top 5 too lol

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      • Y0@NN
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        #73
        Originally posted by bojangles1987
        Look it up. Sergio was p4p #3 behind Mayweather and Pacquiao for years. People argued he should be p4p #1. That opinion didn't really change until after the Chavez fight, when he had his injuries. He didn't drop out of the top 5 until after Murray, and even then people clung on and thought he should be there.
        He looked better against Chavez minus the kd than he had looked a few fights earlier. And he hadn't impressed against Barker and Macklin, i'm pretty sure most boxing fans didn't have him as the 3rd best boxer in the world by then.

        Hopefully Rigondeaux will have solidified his status by the end of the year so there will be more facts and less speculation.
        Last edited by Y0@NN; 01-06-2015, 05:15 PM.

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        • bojangles1987
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          #74
          Originally posted by Tom Cruise
          Fact is P4P top 10 is pretty weak right now. Ordinarily it would be crazy to have a guy with only a handfull of topflight wins way up in the top 5. But who are putting in there ahead of him? Mayweather obviously. Manny Pac (though he hasnt looked great against great opp for years). Wlad Klit? Fooking Bradley? Cotto?

          Resurrect Hopkins for one last run he can prob break into the top 5 too lol
          That's the part people don't seem to understand. Rigo's ascent had a lot to do with guys losing. Sergio was done, Marquez lost to Bradley, Bradley had lost to Pac before, Mares lost, Donaire obviously lost to Rigo, Wlad looked like garbage against Povetkin, Pac got knocked out by Marquez, Ward isn't fighting.

          A lot of the fighters ahead of Rigo lost their spots, and he humiliated a top 5 p4per. Of course he's top 5, at least.

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            #75
            Originally posted by Tom Cruise
            Fact is P4P top 10 is pretty weak right now. Ordinarily it would be crazy to have a guy with only a handfull of topflight wins way up in the top 5. But who are putting in there ahead of him? Mayweather obviously. Manny Pac (though he hasnt looked great against great opp for years). Wlad Klit? Fooking Bradley? Cotto?

            Resurrect Hopkins for one last run he can prob break into the top 5 too lol
            It was why Broner snunk up so high also, people just hated on it then because it was dumb but in reality the top ten is paper thin. You can make an argument on guys recent work say Kovalev but the only real difference is Kovalev is more recent. I don't include heavies in my P4P I am a traditionalist but I can see the case for having him high also if one did.

            Also is is such an opinion driven thing in the first place that in such cases after the obvious guys you can put about 15 names in whatever order you want and not be off the mark.

            Also why i choose to leave Andre Ward on my list because it makes me frown less when I look at it.

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              #76
              Originally posted by The Gambler1981
              It was why Broner snunk up so high also, people just hated on it then because it was dumb but in reality the top ten is paper thin. You can make an argument on guys recent work say Kovalev but the only real difference is Kovalev is more recent. I don't include heavies in my P4P I am a traditionalist but I can see the case for having him high also if one did.

              Also is is such an opinion driven thing in the first place that in such cases after the obvious guys you can put about 15 names in whatever order you want and not be off the mark.

              Also why i choose to leave Andre Ward on my list because it makes me frown less when I look at it.
              No, there was no case for Broner at that time. The Ring were the only ones who had him for a reason.

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                #77
                I see Rigo becoming #2 ring ratings in next 3years....

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                • The Gambler1981
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by bojangles1987
                  No, there was no case for Broner at that time. The Ring were the only ones who had him for a reason.
                  That wasn't even the point, but he was a 3 division titlist which stacks up well with most of the rest of the sport if you want to be honest. Before he got beat up~


                  Now was he ever really worthy of that sort of ranking nope, but it was not like others were holding him back by doing big things.

                  Same thing with Rigondeaux really, he is just a much better fighter in reality.

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                    #79
                    Floyd Mayweather Jr
                    Andre Ward
                    Adonis Stevenson
                    Terence Crawford
                    Danny Garcia


                    ... Is it OK now?
                    ... Or it should be Jermain Taylor instead of Danny?

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by MDPopescu
                      Floyd Mayweather Jr
                      Andre Ward
                      Adonis Stevenson
                      Terence Crawford
                      Danny Garcia


                      ... Is it OK now?
                      ... Or it should be Jermain Taylor instead of Danny?
                      There should be vacant ranks.

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