Comments Thread For: Pacquiao's Adviser Not Giving Up on Mayweather Fight

[smoothsmg]

Highest payday has nothing to do with it, Floyd's supposed big payday was mostly Mexicans paying to see Canelo and Manny pays a promoter to do everything for him so he he's going to make less.

Its like me saying why should Floyd get Anything when his last 2 fights lost $16mil.

It's about what you bring to the fight as far as revenue goes. Floyd's last ppv did about 800k, this will do about 3mil. So Pac brings 2.2 mil buys to the fight.

Pacs last US based ppv against similar opposition also did about 800k but even ignoring that, his last ppv did 350k and this will do 3mil so Floyd adds 2.65mil buys to the fight.

Please do not try to use the "Mexican" reasoning wnhy FLOYD/Canelo did so great. It was a highly anticipated fight.

60-40 on US ppv is the absolute minimum split that would be exceptable.

Whose fault is it that they pay a promoter and make far less when they had the opportunity to do their own thing?

You don't know if 16 million was lost because FLOYD fights only did 800k. You don't have a clue. You have no clue what this ppv would do so you can not say manny or FLOYD is worth so many ppv buys.

I have been talking guaranteed money. This supposed 200 million pot should be split based off their highest payday. If we do the guarantee based of your 60/40, Floyd would get 120 and manny would get 80. Why should manny triple his highest pay day yet floyd does not even double his highest pay day?

[ADP02]

Please don't assume things or try to put words in my mouth. I stated that I hope that's not the case cause manny does not deserve to double his highest pay day if Floyd does not. I don't care who makes what, just discussing what is essentially fare. Best thing would be to double their highest payday or to open up the books.

1) You said that you hoped that Floyd doesn't accept.
2) I asked you a question to confirm what you meant by that.
3) You responded.

np.

[smoothsmg]

1) You said that you hoped that Floyd doesn't accept.
2) I asked you a question to confirm what you meant by that.
3) You responded.

np.

Again, do not try to put words or interpret what I say so it fits your agenda. At no point did I say neither fighter should accept or not accept anything. I stated it would be the fairest and most reasonable if they both doubled their biggest pay days if this 200 million guarantee is true. No reason for manny to triple his highest earnings if Floyd does not even double his highest. If 200 million guarantee is true, Floyd should get 140 (doubled his biggest earnings supposedly), and manny should get 60 (more than double his biggest earnings supposedly). Don't try to start a fight, go back and read what I wrote. It's been the same thing I just stated.

[ADP02]

I truly hope that 90 and 50 million does not happen, cause that would truly mean that manny would have almost doubled his highest pay day and Floyd would not even come close to doubling his biggest pay day.

Again, do not try to put words or interpret what I say so it fits your agenda. At no point did I say neither fighter should accept or not accept anything. I stated it would be the fairest and most reasonable if they both doubled their biggest pay days if this 200 million guarantee is true. No reason for manny to triple his highest earnings if Floyd does not even double his highest. If 200 million guarantee is true, Floyd should get 140 (doubled his biggest earnings supposedly), and manny should get 60 (more than double his biggest earnings supposedly). Don't try to start a fight, go back and read what I wrote. It's been the same thing I just stated.

There was no agenda. Since you hoped that 90/50 doesn't happen then for that to be the case and for you to say that it was a bad deal for Floyd then naturally "truly hope 90/50 does not happen", Floyd would have to not accept.

So I asked you the question. You responded by saying that you are OK if Floyd agrees ..... I responded ..... np.

[jjsmyth87]

2 of Pacquiao's last 3 fights have done less than 400K buys. Mayweather has 10 straight fights above 800K buys. Pacquiao's highest buyrate is 1.25M. Mayweather has done at least 1.4M 4 times, including twice over 2M.

With that said, I think it should be 50/50. But it doesn't matter, fight won't happen. Mayweather doesn't care enough and Arum would block it anyway.

Mayweather-Cotto 2 it is.

Those numbers you just quoted are totally wrong, pacquiao Rios did 475k ppv buys, and hershman from HBO was just on here a week or two ago and said pacquiao algieri did around the same and that was expected from a fight in Macao against opposition that wasn't well known. Also pacquiaos highest buyrate I way more than that. Pac mosely did the same as mayweather mosely which was about 1.4 million and it happened on which date? Yep the may date. Also pacquiao Marquez 3 did 1.4 million. Fighting ln may obviously has given mayweather a boost in ppv buys, but even still if.you add up all mayweathers 13 ppv buys and mannys last 13 ppv buys mayweather has averaged about 20 percent more, which would be around 55/45 split basing off their average amount of buys. And lets not forget Manny brings in way more foreign revenue than mayweather, so it should be closer to 50/50 but I can understand mayweather demanding more. However anything less than 55/45 and Manny is being generous and bending to make the fight happen which he already said he will. If mayweather offers anything less than 60/40 and he is simply procong himself out because that is alot more than he deserves just based off their ppv numbers alone. Manny is almost neck in neck with total ppv buys with mayweather, so its not nearly the same situation when mayweather fought de la Hoya only having 3 previous ppv fights that altogether totaled up 1 million buys and he still got half of what de la Hoya did which was 50 million to 25 million which was like a 66/33 split, so obviously Manny deserves way more than that. Lets hope mayweather doesn't offer some ludicrous split like that, even 65/35 is ludicrous

[jjsmyth87]

Whose fault is it that they pay a promoter and make far less when they had the opportunity to do their own thing?

You don't know if 16 million was lost because FLOYD fights only did 800k. You don't have a clue. You have no clue what this ppv would do so you can not say manny or FLOYD is worth so many ppv buys.

I have been talking guaranteed money. This supposed 200 million pot should be split based off their highest payday. If we do the guarantee based of your 60/40, Floyd would get 120 and manny would get 80. Why should manny triple his highest pay day yet floyd does not even double his highest pay day?

The fact is we really don't know what either of their highest paydays were. As far as we know pacquiao has gotten paid 30 million for a couple fights, while supposedly mayweather got something like 50 million from canelo fight

The problem with that is mayweather posted his paycheck from golden boy from the canelo fight on his instagram and it was only 40 million. And we all know he makes a guaranteed 32 million, the paychecks of which he has posted on instagram. So for all we can really tell their highest paydays are not that far off, while mayweathers average payday is only a little more.

Also to say mayweather is his own boss while Manny works for a promoter is wrong. Up until now mayweather has fought every single fight under the banner of either golden boy or top rank. He has copromoted a couple fights with golden boy,but he didn't have a promoters license until recently, and all his paychecks were from golden boy still.

That is no different than Manny with his Mp promotions co promoting with top rank. Mayweather just got his promoters license, but he is still signed to a biatch contract to al haymon who he has to pay a large cut, and also to ShowTime who really calls the shots, though nobody knows the exact details of the contract.

I would think ShowTime is the one pressuring Floyd now to fight Manny or risk getting kicked off of ShowTime. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some sort of clause where if they lost lots of money on some fights then they had the option to void the contract. Otherwise mayweather could have foughten rod salka 6 times and still made 32 million a fight? No way

[Furn]

Whose fault is it that they pay a promoter and make far less when they had the opportunity to do their own thing?

You don't know if 16 million was lost because FLOYD fights only did 800k. You don't have a clue. You have no clue what this ppv would do so you can not say manny or FLOYD is worth so many ppv buys.

I have been talking guaranteed money. This supposed 200 million pot should be split based off their highest payday. If we do the guarantee based of your 60/40, Floyd would get 120 and manny would get 80. Why should manny triple his highest pay day yet floyd does not even double his highest pay day?

What does highest payday have to do with it ? How is it relivent to how much this Fight makes ?

My your logic if de la Hoya cam out of retirement to fight GGG he would get $100mil to gggs $2mil.

[ADP02]

I stated it would be the fairest and most reasonable if they both doubled their biggest pay days if this 200 million guarantee is true. No reason for manny to triple his highest earnings if Floyd does not even double his highest. If 200 million guarantee is true, Floyd should get 140 (doubled his biggest earnings supposedly), and manny should get 60 (more than double his biggest earnings supposedly).

As for your logic, it just doesn't add up.

Floyd's PPVs was also dependent on the opponents, dates that he fought and there were a few times where his undercard helped generate interest.

Your approach is too simplistic and not an accurate way to judge how it should be split.

[smoothsmg]

There was no agenda. Since you hoped that 90/50 doesn't happen then for that to be the case and for you to say that it was a bad deal for Floyd then naturally "truly hope 90/50 does not happen", Floyd would have to not accept.

So I asked you the question. You responded by saying that you are OK if Floyd agrees ..... I responded ..... np.

I don't know what Floyd would or would not accept, but essentially it is a bad deal for Floyd. Manny would basically double his highest pay day while Floyd would not down even come close to doubling his highest pay day. I am totally fine with both guys making double their home guest pay day for guaranteed money, anything other than that, the books should be opened and they should work it out that way.

[smoothsmg]

The fact is we really don't know what either of their highest paydays were. As far as we know pacquiao has gotten paid 30 million for a couple fights, while supposedly mayweather got something like 50 million from canelo fight

The problem with that is mayweather posted his paycheck from golden boy from the canelo fight on his instagram and it was only 40 million. And we all know he makes a guaranteed 32 million, the paychecks of which he has posted on instagram. So for all we can really tell their highest paydays are not that far off, while mayweathers average payday is only a little more.

Also to say mayweather is his own boss while Manny works for a promoter is wrong. Up until now mayweather has fought every single fight under the banner of either golden boy or top rank. He has copromoted a couple fights with golden boy,but he didn't have a promoters license until recently, and all his paychecks were from golden boy still.

That is no different than Manny with his Mp promotions co promoting with top rank. Mayweather just got his promoters license, but he is still signed to a biatch contract to al haymon who he has to pay a large cut, and also to ShowTime who really calls the shots, though nobody knows the exact details of the contract.

I would think ShowTime is the one pressuring Floyd now to fight Manny or risk getting kicked off of ShowTime. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some sort of clause where if they lost lots of money on some fights then they had the option to void the contract. Otherwise mayweather could have foughten rod salka 6 times and still made 32 million a fight? No way

Didn't floyd get a guaranteed 40 million for Canelo? I swear that was the case. And Floyd might work under a "banner," but all he does is pays that "banner" a flat fee to promote. He does not have them control his career.