Why didn't Hopkins fight Toney?

[IronDanHamza]

Link?.......

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/may...ts/sp-boxing21

[jas]

toney fight was never realistic because it was for cruiser

but they did put it on the cover of a boxing magazine

the rjj fight didnt happen because hopkins didnt wanna pay don king

[soul_survivor]

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/may...ts/sp-boxing21

Interesting read but thinking back to that particular time, I don't remember too many people taking this match up seriously. Toney had left middleweight almost a decade earlier and Hops was still very comfortable at the weight.

It's a great potential fantasy match up but in reality, I don't think it was ever feasible...sadly.

[punchr]

At what weight? Toney moved up from middle in 1992. Hopkins was barely on the map at that point.

In 2003, Toney signed the contract to fight Hopkins at cruiserweight. Hopkins acknowledges this too. He says he was willing to take the fight but I think he's bull****ting. Toney would have beat him up. I just think James is too much of an alpha male silverback for Bernard.

[MrRolltide91]

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/may...ts/sp-boxing21

Thanks......

[Tuavale]

Toney would have beat him if they fought. Nard knew it. Nard is an intelligent cat

[Sugar Adam Ali]

By the time hopkins was a player at middleweight, toney was at 168 or higher.. Once hopkins became a star, toney was at heavy..

Timing more than anything

[Sugar Adam Ali]

A lot of chatter on this thread... I'm gonna clear it up with a timeline


91- toney upsets nunn for mw belt, hopkins is a nobody club fighter

93- toney moves to 168, Hopkins is a Tuesday night fights fighter and has a minor nabf belt, fringe contender

94/95 Hopkins wins middleweight belt, roy jones beats toney at 168

96/97 Hopkins is an obscure paper champ at mw, toney falls off hard after roy loss, balloons up in weight, loses twice to montel Griffith at light heavy, and loses to club fighter and vanishes for 2 few years

2000- Hopkins is alittle better known but not by much.. Toney returns as a fat blob

01-03 Hopkins becomes a star by winning mw tourney and becoming undisputed.. Toney shocks the world by winning a cruiser title over the undefeated jirov, and then stops evander holyfield at heavy..
Around this time there was talk of both rematching roy, and then talks about each facing each other, but both had bigger fights,, Hopkins got the Oscar fight, and possibly was shooting for a tito rematch when tito cameback.. Toney was looking for tyson, lennox, wlad

Present day, this fight has been talked about a lot but the timing was never quite right and also the weight,, toney wasn't looking to leave heavy and Hopkins wasn't trying to leave 175, though a cruiser catchweight was talked about a lot, it never came to fruition

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Toney would have beat him if they fought. Nard knew it. Nard is an intelligent cat

Wrong... Unless it's prime toney that fought mccallum...

Anything after 2000 and all Hopkins had to do was jab and stay away and fat toney would never be able to find Hopkins

Hopkins got the call that he could fight Oscar in 04 so he bailed on toney and finished his deal with King vs joppy, and then got oscar

[Beercules]

A lot of chatter on this thread... I'm gonna clear it up with a timeline


91- toney upsets nunn for mw belt, hopkins is a nobody club fighter

93- toney moves to 168, Hopkins is a Tuesday night fights fighter and has a minor nabf belt, fringe contender

94/95 Hopkins wins middleweight belt, roy jones beats toney at 168

96/97 Hopkins is an obscure paper champ at mw, toney falls off hard after roy loss, balloons up in weight, loses twice to montel Griffith at light heavy, and loses to club fighter and vanishes for 2 few years

2000- Hopkins is alittle better known but not by much.. Toney returns as a fat blob

01-03 Hopkins becomes a star by winning mw tourney and becoming undisputed.. Toney shocks the world by winning a cruiser title over the undefeated jirov, and then stops evander holyfield at heavy..
Around this time there was talk of both rematching roy, and then talks about each facing each other, but both had bigger fights,, Hopkins got the Oscar fight, and possibly was shooting for a tito rematch when tito cameback.. Toney was looking for tyson, lennox, wlad

Present day, this fight has been talked about a lot but the timing was never quite right and also the weight,, toney wasn't looking to leave heavy and Hopkins wasn't trying to leave 175, though a cruiser catchweight was talked about a lot, it never came to fruition

Good stuff Adam. I'll green you when I can