Why Ali betrayed Malcolm X

[JoartCC]

YOU- Ali is is a notorious womanizer.

ME- He WAS one. You are talking 25 YEARS ago.

YOU- Ali is a man who abandoned his family to pursue affairs with women?
Abandoned?

ME- NO. Ali is a braggart? He was. That was bad? He made himself the mostfamous and recognized athlete of all time with it. Even YOU still talk about him.

YOU: Ali is a guy who has shifting convictions and his only loyalty is CONVINIENCE? lol!

ME: SHIFTING CONVICTIONS? Ali has NEVER swayed or strayed in his conviction

Abandoned means divorces in order to accomodate his urges on women.

****ing convictions... well, you all saw him make a stand against the war in Vietnam although one can also say that he did that to save his arse. By contrast, once X was expelled from the group, Ali was one of his confidantes he relied on and yet he dumped him like a piece of garbage in place of convienience.

The truth hurts Scully. But you have to learn to accept it. The point of us making threads in this forum is not to worship an idol but to point out the facts.

[Konstantin]

Despite 9/11 and all the **** throwing people are doing at ******s Ali is still a steadfast believer. When the going gets tough he held through.

Besides just reading the title you can tell the writer has an agenda. No one uses betrayed in a partial article.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Facts? YOU dont know thefacts. Ali saved himself by not going to vietnam? YOU really think he would be in the bush with an AK?? You cant be serious. He lost three years willingly of his career, he KNEW that would happen. People like you want people to believe Ali didnt go to nam' cuz he didnt want to get shot. It's so ridiculous. Ali never would have even fired one bullet, thats FACT. His convictions were STRONG. And he got divorced. so what?? Elizabeth Taylor got married and divorced like it was a race to see who could do it hemost times. J-LO, too. Plenty of people get divorces. Only ONE of his divorces came to pass because of his womanizing and that was the one with Belinda. You REALLY do not know much about Ali. That is CLEAR.

[marvdave]

I dont think you guys read much about Ali and X, etc otherthan the occassional article, etc. I can see you really have NO IDEA about the background involved here. Number #1.. Ali was a KID when all this was going on... how many 24, 25 year olds in the world are REALLY on top of things? Think back towhen YOU were that age and some of the ****** things you did and said back then. And #2.... Ali COULDNT side with Malcolm over Elijiah... Let Ali choose Malcolm over Elijiah and see what would happen. And I am sure most of you do not know this but Elijiah Muhammad passed away in 1975... and it was not long after that Ali converted to orthodox Islam. There are certainly reasons he wanited until Elijiah passed before he converted.

if he sided with X, he would have been taking a dirt nap right alongside Malcom X. Thats why he sided with the Nation.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

From MarvDave, steelers fan: "if he sided with X, he would have been taking a dirt nap right alongside Malcom X. Thats why he sided with the Nation."

From Icey ICE, The Lynn Swann fan: There you go

[marvdave]

From MarvDave, steelers fan: "if he sided with X, he would have been taking a dirt nap right alongside Malcom X. Thats why he sided with the Nation."

From Icey ICE, The Lynn Swann fan: There you go

Thats Governor Swann to you

[phallus]

Wasn't Ali known as a selfish prick? There should be no controversy about this issue.

I hated him outside of the ring....but in the ring he was the best.

ali was never a humble man - this is more than a bit of a problem in any religion. the guy was a selfish ******* but he's an all time great hw champ, how can u expect somebody who already has a HUGE ego and then has people telling him how great he is all the time to stand by his friends when the **** goes down?
BTW, i agree on the dirt nap, marvdave

[Run]

ali was never a humble man - this is more than a bit of a problem in any religion. the guy was a selfish ******* but he's an all time great hw champ, how can u expect somebody who already has a HUGE ego and then has people telling him how great he is all the time to stand by his friends when the **** goes down?

Good points, right on the money.



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[The Devil]

Facts? YOU dont know thefacts. Ali saved himself by not going to vietnam? YOU really think he would be in the bush with an AK?? You cant be serious. He lost three years willingly of his career, he KNEW that would happen. People like you want people to believe Ali didnt go to nam' cuz he didnt want to get shot. It's so ridiculous. Ali never would have even fired one bullet, thats FACT. His convictions were STRONG. And he got divorced. so what?? Elizabeth Taylor got married and divorced like it was a race to see who could do it hemost times. J-LO, too. Plenty of people get divorces. Only ONE of his divorces came to pass because of his womanizing and that was the one with Belinda. You REALLY do not know much about Ali. That is CLEAR.

Not going to Vietnam was actually one of the most honorable things Ali ever did. Not because he dodged the war, but because he stood for what he believed in even the the consequences were far worse for him to not go than they would be for him to just go. Ali was a celebrity and he WOULD NOT have been sent to combat. They were going to use him for a recruitment tool only, so he would have had an easy time in the military. Rather than take the easy route and go into the military where he would have been instrumental in recruiting more people to die, he chose prison rather than do what he didn't believe in. He never went to prison I know, but that was the penalty, and he knew that's what would likely happen.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Ali was SELFISH????? MUHAMMAD ALI from LOUISVILLE? You are INSANE. Ali was a lot of things but selfish was DEFINITELY not one of them. It seems like you only get your ideas from what OTHER Ali haters say and think.