Mayweather is better than Marquez, but will do much worst against Pacquaio.

[creekrat77]

No it's not and there are different variations to the jab. Cotto doubles up on his, and he crouches forward which made it easy for Pacquiao to counter. Mayweather keeps his back straighter and throws single jabs. This is why it's very difficult to get near Mayweather when he uses his.

I think Manny would control the pace. His legs are just to fast and he can dip and dash all over the ring better then Floyd at this point in their careers. I also think Manny's faints will wear Floyd out and leave him open.

[CatchAndShoot]

Since when did Floyd have a great jab? He uses the body jab most often, and that would get countered with the right hook by Pacquiao. Floyd doesn't really use the jab against southpaws anyways. He's always been right lead dominant against them.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[The Gambler1981]

Mayweather rarely uses the pull counter against southpaws, and against Pacquiao he won't need it. Just pepper Pacquiao with jabs, force Pacquiao to take the initiative; lunge in and land right hand counters whilst making Manny reset.

Well I would say he wants to land his left hook, the right hand would be everything to him in that fight but the left hook is the punch Floyd could really catch him bad with if used correctly.

Jabs and rights set that up.

[Imatroll]

Manny would beat Floyd by wide UD 9-3

[Doctor_Tenma]

Algieri has a good jab as well with length and decent speed and he couldn't get it going because of pac's counters. It really is not a good idea to throw jabs at pac.

You and everyone else with that line of thinking sound ignorant, it's not considered the most important punch for no reason.

[DARKSEID]

Algieri has a good jab as well with length and decent speed and he couldn't get it going because of pac's counters. It really is not a good idea to throw jabs at pac.

Very true. Pac counters the jab too well with his straight left. He times it so well to the point that the risk outweighs the reward when you jab against pac.

Morales, Barrera, De La hoya, Cotto, Mosley and Bradley all found this out the hard way. Pacquiao tore them all up up with his straight left countering the jab.

Even Marquez has never hurt or been effective against pac with the jab.

[DARKSEID]

You and everyone else with that line of thinking sound ignorant, it's not considered the most important punch for no reason.

Name one fighter who has been effective against pac with the jab and hasn't gotten tore up by counters.

I'll wait.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Very true. Pac counters the jab too well with his straight left. He times it so well to the point that the risk outweighs the reward when you jab against pac.

Morales, Barrera, De La hoya, Cotto, Mosley and Bradley all found this out the hard way. Pacquiao tore them all up up with his straight left countering the jab.

Even Marquez has never hurt or been effective against pac with the jab.

Morales utilized it perfectly in the first fight, Bradley utilized it well, as did Marquez, especially in the 3rd fight which allowed him to set up the uppercut. This is probably the first time since I've joined Boxingscene, where I've heard a couple of people express this kind of ******ity. It's never been said about Pacquiao, ever, at least not that I've accounted for.

[DARKSEID]

Morales utilized it perfectly in the first fight, Bradley utilized it well, as did Marquez, especially in the 3rd fight which allowed him to set up the uppercut. This is probably the first time since I've joined Boxingscene, where I've heard a couple of people express this kind of ******ity. It's never been said about Pacquiao, ever, at least not that I've accounted for.

******ity? Ask Morales, Barrera, De La hoya, Mosley, Cotto and Bradley how they feel about Pacquiao's counters. Ever since Pacquiao started working with roach, that's the number one thing they've worked on over and over: Countering the jab. The straight left counter is Pacquiao's most effective punch against a right handed fighter.

Morales didn't win that fight with the jab. He won it with the right hand, his body shots and his counters against a less experienced Pacquiao who hadn't developed a right hand.

I don't know what fight you were watching, Pacquiao was countering Bradley's jab all night in both fights and won them both.

Marquez has never been effective against Pac with the jab.

38 jabs landed at 21% vs 100 Power punches landed at 39% In the 3rd fight.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Morales didn't win that fight with the jab. He won it with the right hand, his body shots and his counters against a less experience Pacquiao who hadn't developed a right hand.

I don't know what fight you were watching, Pacquiao was countering Bradley jab all night in both fights and won both.

Marquez has never been effective against Pac with the jab.

38 jabs landed at 21% vs 100 Power punches landed at 39% In the 3rd fight.

Total Punches Pacquiao Marquez
Landed 176 138
Thrown 578 436
Pct. 30% 32%
Jabs Pacquiao Marquez
Landed 59 38
Thrown 304 182
Pct. 19% 21%
Power Punches Pacquiao Marquez
Landed 117 100
Thrown 274 254
Pct. 43% 39%

You don't seem to get it, that's the biggest issue right now. Against Pacquiao, the way the jab is supposed to be utilized is to get him to over commit/ or blinding him to set up leads (Marquez, Morales). Morlaes' jab played a role as well and it contributed in getting him the victory, Marquez utilized it well and Bradley could have conceivably got the win so I beg to differ (Off-topic, don't want to go down that road). All of them utilized their jab in a way that it served it's purpose.


What your not suppose to do is leave the jab hanging out or looking to double up/ or triple up on it, that's what got Cotto in trouble and the fact that Cotto doesn't have a lead right hand to set it up with.

Mayweather will be effective with it because of his ranginess, quickness and reflexes, point blank. I'm not talking jab exhibition either but it'd definitely play a major role.