Mayweather is better than Marquez, but will do much worst against Pacquaio.

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  • Pago007
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    #201
    maidana and pac have 2 totally different styles, maidana is an ambush nonstop fighter - he punches bullies u around the ring
    Pac is a mere boxer now he tries too think and is defensive now do to the ko

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    • IMDAZED
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      #202
      Originally posted by TRTboy
      Yeah but pac's stamina one of the best in the game. And like malignaggi said pac fights like that naturally. Guys like de la hoya or judah had success when they threw combinations but those two easily got discouraged after getting hit with counters because they weren't naturally offensive minded fighter and they've always been known to fade and which they did against mayweather, Pac doesn't and pac has one of the strongest minds in the sport. He won't get discouraged by mayweather's potshots.

      Pac just has to be himself. I'm telling you pac's style is all wrong for mayweather and they know it or else they would have fought pac a long time ago.
      Pac's style is all wrong for a relatively strong, long-time welter with a solid beard and the world's best defense? A 17-year champ with an extremely high boxing IQ? A rangy boxer who is adept at any distance? An accurate counter-puncher with a bevy of styles and respectable power? My friend, I think you've got it reversed. I really do wish the fight happens. Posts like the OP's are well-thought out but the conclusions are largely wishful thinking that forgets one fighter's strengths and the other's flaws. And like those posts, the idea that Manny is all wrong for Floyd (when it's vice versa) does the same.

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      • CatchAndShoot
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        #203
        Originally posted by IMDAZED
        Pac's style is all wrong for a relatively strong, long-time welter with a solid beard and the world's best defense? A 17-year champ with an extremely high boxing IQ? A rangy boxer who is adept at any distance? An accurate counter-puncher with a bevy of styles and respectable power? My friend, I think you've got it reversed. I really do wish the fight happens. Posts like the OP's are well-thought out but the conclusions are largely wishful thinking that forgets one fighter's strengths and the other's flaws. And like those posts, the idea that Manny is all wrong for Floyd (when it's vice versa) does the same.
        They're both tough matchups for each other. This much should be clear. That's why they need to get in the ring and get it on.

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        • creekrat77
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          #204
          Originally posted by IMDAZED
          Pac's style is all wrong for a relatively strong, long-time welter with a solid beard and the world's best defense? A 17-year champ with an extremely high boxing IQ? A rangy boxer who is adept at any distance? An accurate counter-puncher with a bevy of styles and respectable power? My friend, I think you've got it reversed. I really do wish the fight happens. Posts like the OP's are well-thought out but the conclusions are largely wishful thinking that forgets one fighter's strengths and the other's flaws. And like those posts, the idea that Manny is all wrong for Floyd (when it's vice versa) does the same.
          Yea in other words Manny is the epitome of the White Hope. Look at the two guys careers for what they are and weigh in their advantages/disadvantages. Manny is the obvious underdog. But I'll tell you what, if I was a bettin man I'd say Floyd runs all night and wins a narrow UD realistically. Idk if Floyd has the same reflexes that he did 3 or 4 years ago, so I don't see his pull counter working that well on Manny's sharp straight left.

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          • Doctor_Tenma
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            #205
            Originally posted by creekrat77
            Yea in other words Manny is the epitome of the White Hope. Look at the two guys careers for what they are and weigh in their advantages/disadvantages. Manny is the obvious underdog. But I'll tell you what, if I was a bettin man I'd say Floyd runs all night and wins a narrow UD realistically. Idk if Floyd has the same reflexes that he did 3 or 4 years ago, so I don't see his pull counter working that well on Manny's sharp straight left.
            Mayweather rarely uses the pull counter against southpaws, and against Pacquiao he won't need it. Just pepper Pacquiao with jabs, force Pacquiao to take the initiative; lunge in and land right hand counters whilst making Manny reset.

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            • Johnwoo8686
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              #206
              Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
              Mayweather rarely uses the pull counter against southpaws, and against Pacquiao he won't need it. Just pepper Pacquiao with jabs, force Pacquiao to take the initiative; lunge in and land right hand counters whilst making Manny reset.
              The jab is a terrible tool to use against Pacquiao. He counters that stuff easily

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              • Doctor_Tenma
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                #207
                Originally posted by Johnwoo8686
                The jab is a terrible tool to use against Pacquiao. He counters that stuff easily
                No it's not and there are different variations to the jab. Cotto doubles up on his, and he crouches forward which made it easy for Pacquiao to counter. Mayweather keeps his back straighter and throws single jabs. This is why it's very difficult to get near Mayweather when he uses his.

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                • MPX309
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                  #208
                  Originally posted by Johnwoo8686
                  The jab is a terrible tool to use against Pacquiao. He counters that stuff easily
                  Mayweather also has the uncanny ability to counter your counter. lol

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                  • TRTboy
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                    #209
                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    Pac's style is all wrong for a relatively strong, long-time welter with a solid beard and the world's best defense? A 17-year champ with an extremely high boxing IQ? A rangy boxer who is adept at any distance? An accurate counter-puncher with a bevy of styles and respectable power? My friend, I think you've got it reversed. I really do wish the fight happens. Posts like the OP's are well-thought out but the conclusions are largely wishful thinking that forgets one fighter's strengths and the other's flaws. And like those posts, the idea that Manny is all wrong for Floyd (when it's vice versa) does the same.
                    Styles makes fights. Where were those against maidana?? Against textbook boxers like canelo or marquez who prefer to box mayweather will never lose. But against awkward unorthodox boxers mayweather looks ordinary. He's lucky maidana has terrible stamina because he would have lost that 1st fight if chino kept up his work for a little longer.

                    Did you read malignaggi's input? Cause that's basically what I'm saying. Mayweather's instinct as a defensive fighter could be his downfall against pac. He would have to fight pac off him cause when you let pac get off first he will leave you there because of his fast feet.

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                    • TRTboy
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                      #210
                      Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
                      No it's not and there are different variations to the jab. Cotto doubles up on his, and he crouches forward which made it easy for Pacquiao to counter. Mayweather keeps his back straighter and throws single jabs. This is why it's very difficult to get near Mayweather when he uses his.
                      Algieri has a good jab as well with length and decent speed and he couldn't get it going because of pac's counters. It really is not a good idea to throw jabs at pac.

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