Mayweather is better than Marquez, but will do much worst against Pacquaio.

[TRTboy]

Pacquiao hurts EVERYBODY! Whether you beat him or not, you'll still take a hurting. The question will be, can Floyd handle it?! Marquez is a brick head!

I think this is what mayweather is afraid of. He knows he will have to take punishment even if he beats pac. Pac's too explosive and fast to get contained by a defense first fighter. Pac will have a lot of opportunities to explode against mayweather who covers up quickly against incoming fire.

[fabie]

Well augustus lost to 30 other guys so and he did get his shots in against floyd. He just wasn't at floyd's level. But like I said mayweather has his toughest fights against fighters that are unconventional and crude and aggressive. Pac brings all that to the table with all the experience. Pac doesn't have to be technically better than floyd or floyd past opponents. Pac just needs to be himself.

Great insights.

[MayMosPeaHop]

I think this is what mayweather is afraid of. He knows he will have to take punishment even if he beats pac. Pac's too explosive and fast to get contained by a defense first fighter. Pac will have a lot of opportunities to explode against mayweather who covers up quickly against incoming fire.

Can you stop with the silliness - afraid stuff? Arum is the one that keeps turning down the fight. Obviously FMJ and his team are not worried about what Manny has to offer, but Arum definitely seems worried with what FMJ will bring. Why can't you just admit that Arum does not and has never believed Manny can or could win? Afraid!!! That is just fu-ck-ing ******.

[Caught Square]

Even though this turned out to be wrong i thought you made interesting points but seeing some of your other threads i guess your a troll.

[DeadLikeMe]

Its not in Floyd's nature to go to war with Manny like JMM and Morales did, and he knows that. Also, since when did Floyd counter with 3-4 punch combinations while twisting and turning with a guy like Pacquiao?

He knows this will be the toughest fight of his life.

Marquez actually took a bunch of shots to land his own. People act like JMM did a pot shot session on Manny. You have to get down and dirty withPac to be succesful. Floyd is too prone to trying to stay clean thought a fight in order to be as effective as JMM was.

That's the reason why he doesn't want it with PAC. Not only the southpaw stance, blinding speed, and ability to counter the right hand with his left, and do real damage, but because he knows he has to FIGHT PAC to beat him.

Good read

FM and his fans will do anything not to fight pac
#scared #FightPacquiao

While this may be true to some extent, there's one thing Floyd doesn't do that plays a big part in why JMM had success against Pac. Taking risks! He knew he would never be able to beat Pac by playing it safe. You have to literally FIGHT Pac in order to have success because his style makes you fight!

pac's style will be nightmare for floyd just like how marquez's style gives pac problems.

so, oscar, bradley, & cotto don't have boxing skills?

stop the hate will ya..

& don't try to downplay algieri...he boxed manny pretty good imo, just didn't have enough experience....

& another tall guy who isn't a boxer, but definitely doesn't suck, and got beat pretty bad was margarito...pacquiao had to deal with a reach advantage nonetheless...

Wtf? Floyd is 5 times better than Algerie. Floyd will win 5 rounds so dont say it's a mismatch!

I'll say it again. If Marcos Maidana can time and counter Floyd's right hand counter then Pac can do it x3 with his straight left

i dont think floyd's range will be much of a factor, not the key anyway

cotto had little trouble adapting to floyds pull counter with his footspeed, pacquiao will be the same even though he's likely to eat a couple, i think pacquiao at some point will likely bait floyd into the pull counter or just counter a recovering mayweather, pacquiao's incredibly quick with the counter-combo

plus you can sneak past floyds range with fients

a thing to remember is that mayweather is safety first

i did answer it, saying what if floyd hits and holds, isn't saying much of anything, maidana won plenty of rounds on floyd just trying to hit and hold

it's three minutes, at some point pacquiao will adjust, and floyd wont be able to simply go in for the hold, at some point pacquiao will counter floyds punch and floyd could get hit before even making to his hold, other times pacquiao will use his feet and bait floyd forward reaching(he did vs maidana in an occassion) and could clock him, maybe floyd only manages to get a hold of one hand of pacquiao's and pacquiao is free to do what he wants with the other

it's three minutes, and this holding and hitting is a broad statement, what it does is limit the exchanges, and this goes for both guys
but he's not getting by doing the same sht over and over, pacquiao will fient him and he wont always fall in to be held and he wont be hit everytime mayweather punches

this isn't klitschko, a much taller, heavier opponent pushing down on necks, who fights out of a very difference stance just honed for clinching anyone that enters his range, and floyd also has never shown the strength or the wrestling klitschko has shown

and pacquiao isn't porter, he's not going to walk into the clinches all the time smothering his work

I dont think anyone has even mention that reach won't matter. We're saying floyd is not the only fighter pac has fought with a longer reach. If u guys think speed and angle doesn't matter then u too are in for a big suprise.

Very true, Maidana hit Floyd with more punches than we are accustomed to seeing Floyd get hit with, and In my opinion, Maidana Is much slower than Pacquiao.

There Is no question Pacquiao will be able to hit Floyd, and regularly.

Manny Is always moving, how often Is Mayweather going to get the opportunity to clinch without eating a 3 to 4 punch combination on his way In? What does Maidana do better than Pacquiao?

Those guys are clearly not A level fighters

Even Larry thinks PAC beats Floyd, it's one thing making your opponent miss but you have to fire back to score points and I truly believe will not take that risk vs pacquaio.

was manny NOT suppose to get hit by that right hand for all 12 rounds or something? i dont get it, u keep bringing that up. did u see manny dodge and duck but chris just kept tagging him or something? was manny moving to chris right hand all night getting tag by it or what? i dont get this manny wasnt able to defend algieri's right hand. what was manny's suppose to do? cover up and block for the entire fight?

It's the mentally. Marquez and mayweather have totally different mindsets in the ring. Marquez is an offensive counter puncher while mayweather is very defensive.

Marquez threw accurate combinations when pac was throwing his own combinations. Mayweather's 1st instinct when he gets attacked is to cover up or shoulder roll and then he works his counters 1 shot at a time when he knows there;s no risk. Against a fast combination puncher like pac with quick feet he will find it hard to come out of that shell if he lets pac get off first.

Yeah but pac's stamina one of the best in the game. And like malignaggi said pac fights like that naturally. Guys like de la hoya or judah had success when they threw combinations but those two easily got discouraged after getting hit with counters because they weren't naturally offensive minded fighter and they've always been known to fade and which they did against mayweather, Pac doesn't and pac has one of the strongest minds in the sport. He won't get discouraged by mayweather's potshots.

Pac just has to be himself. I'm telling you pac's style is all wrong for mayweather and they know it or else they would have fought pac a long time ago.

Styles makes fights. Where were those against maidana?? Against textbook boxers like canelo or marquez who prefer to box mayweather will never lose. But against awkward unorthodox boxers mayweather looks ordinary. He's lucky maidana has terrible stamina because he would have lost that 1st fight if chino kept up his work for a little longer.

Did you read malignaggi's input? Cause that's basically what I'm saying. Mayweather's instinct as a defensive fighter could be his downfall against pac. He would have to fight pac off him cause when you let pac get off first he will leave you there because of his fast feet.

I think Manny would control the pace. His legs are just to fast and he can dip and dash all over the ring better then Floyd at this point in their careers. I also think Manny's faints will wear Floyd out and leave him open.

Since when did Floyd have a great jab? He uses the body jab most often, and that would get countered with the right hook by Pacquiao. Floyd doesn't really use the jab against southpaws anyways. He's always been right lead dominant against them.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Manny would beat Floyd by wide UD 9-3

Name one fighter who has been effective against pac with the jab and hasn't gotten tore up by counters.

I'll wait.

Mayweather never really uses the jab except to the body. You think he's going to be confident jabbing a fast guy like pac? He got out jabbed by de la hoya, was even against cotto, didn't jab against a fast guy in judah, never jabbed guerrero, barely jabbed against maidana. So I don't get how you think he's all of a sudden going to jab and bait pacman just because other opponents have landed the punch LOL. Mayweather is more comfortable leading with the right because he is less likely to get countered, he likes to lead with that right and duck or lead with the right and push the opponent away. Again he doesn't like to take risks and I don't expect him take a lot against pac which means I don't see him jabbing a lot.

Years of watching pac fight getting jabbed has never been a weakness for him. He's too fast and quick to get jabbed from the outside.

May is at his best when presented with conventional or traditional boxing styles. Pac's unorthodox punching angles and fast hands would spell trouble for Floyd and he knows it.

I think this is what mayweather is afraid of. He knows he will have to take punishment even if he beats pac. Pac's too explosive and fast to get contained by a defense first fighter. Pac will have a lot of opportunities to explode against mayweather who covers up quickly against incoming fire.

Bwahahahahahaha some gold in here.

[Hype job]

Bwahahahahahaha some gold in here.

The fight was very competitive, Pac countered Floyd a lot!

And landed the harder punches!

With one arm!

[-PBP-]

Bwahahahahahaha some gold in here.

ATG multi-quote

[DeadLikeMe]

The fight was very competitive, Pac countered Floyd a lot!

And landed the harder punches!

With one arm!

Yeah, everyone saying that is being laughed at across all boxing boards...there's just not enough of you guys left in Pacland to spam this garbage into existence. KTFO6 and #48 were your Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[Hype job]

Yeah, everyone saying that is being laughed at across all boxing boards...there's just not enough of you guys left in Pacland to spam this garbage into existence. KTFO6 and #48 were your Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

KTFO6 was key to Floyd winning.

[DeadLikeMe]

KTFO6 was key to Floyd winning.

It was key to not having to listen to you simpletons garbage up forums for six months. Thank you based JMM. Thank you based Floyd.