Pacquiao vs Algieri PPV numbers so low TR/HBO wont release them

[Bullrider]

We still don't know what the Maidana 1 and 2 numbers are. Espinoza refrained from releasing any official number. It's obvious they flopped just like the Guerrero fight. They could be as low as 300K, which is still good if you compare it with UFC numbers.

[YOU WILL LOSE]

either way i really just want to punch glaser in his face!

[radioraheem]

We still don't know what the Maidana 1 and 2 numbers are. Espinoza refrained from releasing any official number. It's obvious they flopped just like the Guerrero fight. They could be as low as 300K, which is still good if you compare it with UFC numbers.

Compare the All-Access numbers versus the 24/7 numbers, and there's a huge discrepancy there too. I guess that's a conspiracy too though?

[Scipio2009]

Where did you pull that load of crap about manny walking away from 40 million with a 35% upside? Was it that fight hype interview with ariza? Manny doesn't have to pay us taxes which right there could increase mannys take. PPV gate all that stuff is made a big deal in negotiations so someone like FLOYD can boast about being the A side and him getting to control everything to feed his ego.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...119-story.html There's the article about how top rank gets more out of site fees.

-Stephen Espinoza has been rumored to have made the offer to Top Rank for the fight; an offer that was met, apparently, with radio silence from Top Rank.

-Manny Pacquiao still has to pay taxes in the Phillipines (32% on all personal income over $100,000, 30% on all net income through his pass-through company, 12% value-added tax). All the US tax payments (if they were ever actually made) did was offset the tax bill that he faced in his country.

-The only reason why the PPV numbers derive such importance is because Top Rank/Pacquiao walked away from the fight 1) when the offer was for 50/50 in 2009 and 2010 and 2)when the offer was for $40m in 2012.

Manny Pacquiao didn't split the pot 50/50 in any of the Marquez fights, or in the Bradley fights, or the fight with Rios, or this most recent fight with Algieri; the fifth Marquez fight isn't going to happen because Top Rank/Pacquiao isn't willing to give Marquez a fair split. The argument can be made that Pacquiao was the "A-side" in those discussions.

Floyd Mayweather is the clear "A-side" in the Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations (does near double the business at the gate and on PPV, etc), yet Floyd is supposed to bend to Pacquiao and give him 50/50, when Pacquiao has given that to no one? based on what? "cuz he'z a chicken". lol

-If you honestly think that Pacquiao-Algieri brought in enough money to not only 1) pay Pacquiao $23m on the front end but also 2) pay Pacquiao another $7m off of the PPV and 3) pay Star Boxing the $2m package for Algieri, while also having Top Rank make some money on the event, you're delusional.

unless the Venetian is paying $30m as the site fee. lol

[Weebler I]

Basically Bobby's numbers don't add up successfully.

I can guarantee you they add up better than some Flomo playing guessing games online.

(not you, the other pretentious imbecile)

[Weebler I]

$23m, plus another $7m off of the PPV, plus the ~$2m that likely went to the Algieri camp, comes out to over $30m in payouts before Top Rank even makes a penny.

300k buys puts $11m into the pot; 400k puts $15m into the pot. If events sponsors and the TV rights put another $5m into the pot, I'd be shocked.

For the numbers to even begin to start making any semblance of sense, you're looking at a $15m site fee from the Venetian to break even; therefore, there should be some extra margin there.

If the Venetian is paying enough beyond the break-even to make Top Rank happy ($20m site fee?), why fight anywhere else?

Because they only pay it once annually? Anyhow, it's pointless you trying to do a bunch of sums from the outside, downright foolish in fact.

Arum has been in the game a long time, his promotional company is one of the two biggest in the sport and the other one is not said to be making much profit which pretty much makes TR #1.

But go ahead, throw more figures around and tell us you know better. I'd venture Arum knows what he's doing, wouldn't you? (rhetorical Q)

[Hougigo]

Vargas already preparing....man... you better not
http://www.fight hype.com/news/article18638.html

[Robbie Barrett]

Because they only pay it once annually? Anyhow, it's pointless you trying to do a bunch of sums from the outside, downright foolish in fact.

Arum has been in the game a long time, his promotional company is one of the two biggest in the sport and the other one is not said to be making much profit which pretty much makes TR #1.

But go ahead, throw more figures around and tell us you know better. I'd venture Arum knows what he's doing, wouldn't you? (rhetorical Q)

There's no doubt He knows what he's doing. But what he knows and what he says (a lot of time) are 2 different things.

[Bullrider]

These PPV numbers don't even paint a complete picture. As one poster summed it up succinctly, TR spends one dollar to make $100, GBP (Schaefer) spends $100 to make one dollar.

It's a known fact that Mayweather fights are heavily promoted. They also spend enormous sums of money on undercards. Which is actually good and bad for the fans. Good for PPV buyers, but bad for subscribers because they don't really translate into producing more subscription-based fights - result of spending big on TBE fights, there's nothing left to fund regular fights.

But we noticed that they tried to spend little in promoting the Maidana 2, not to mention the crappy undercards. It's actually a Catch 22 for them. They spend little on promotion, they attract less customers. They spend big, they get more buyers, but the profit is not something to brag about.

[Weebler I]

There's no doubt He knows what he's doing. But what he knows and what he says (a lot of time) are 2 different things.

Well he's a boxing promoter, so that goes without saying. Hearn, De La Hoya etc are no different.

However, ignoring his words, it doesn't take a genius to work out that the site fee is significant enough for Top Rank to up sticks to the other side of the world, probably shaving around 400k buys off their US PPV sales.