Frazier vs klitschko

[kiDynamite92]

Ross Puritty is declared everywhere to be a boxer with possibly the hardest chin of all time. Lamon Brewster is also revered as having one of the hardest chins. Chins like this never existed in Frazier's times! Corrie Sanders himself usually only lost when he gassed.

Watch Sanders vs Vitali. Sander's had more steel in that jaw than in any of his golf clubs!

Oh really? Who exactly did they fight to prove there jaws? In the rematch they both got KO'd by wlad. You probably don't know about Foremans chin if you don't think great chins didn't exist in Fraziers days. steel in his jaw? He fought no besides Wlad to prove it, when he did step up he got KO'd eg Rahman and feather fist Vitali.

[Elroy1]

Frazier was WAYYYYY better than the guys that destroyed Vlad.

Whatever Brewster and Purrity can do,Joe could do better.


Joe was a bob and weave fighter...that style is fatal for guys that lean straight back like Vlad.

Puriity was a **** boxer, but extremely heavy, strong, powerful and had one of the hardest chins ever. Frazier wouldn't be able to hurt him and would be knocked out.

Brewster was a very good champion boxer, did everything better than Frazier and was monstrously more powerful with an iron chin. Frazier would never hurt him either.

Brewster would knock Joe out with 1 good punch.

[Elroy1]

Oh really? Who exactly did they fight to prove there jaws? In the rematch they both got KO'd by wlad. You probably don't know about Foremans chin if you don't think great chins didn't exist in Fraziers days. steel in his jaw? He fought no besides Wlad to prove it, when he did step up he got KO'd eg Rahman and feather fist Vitali.

I think Foreman had an iron chin too!

He took 12 rounds of bombs from Tommy Morrison!

Young Foreman did not have as good a chin though!

You have no idea! Wlad never beat Puritty, Vitali did!

You obviously have never seen any Puritty fights either.

If you have only seen olden days fights then you have never seen what a hard punch or a solid chin looks like. Watch some, THEN try telling me than Puritty or Brewster never had iron chins!

[Elroy1]

Stewart......Genius trainer magically transforms Vlad from a mere 96 pound weakling to SUPER CLINCH!!! A clinch to win is that Vlad! Why even throw punches when a manhug will do the trick? I mean as Slapsy maxie would say "someone could ger hurt out there!"

yes Without the boy wonder Batman is lacking and without the genius of th clinch in a sinch Vlad would be.......just another marvel.

Before Steward, Wladimir Klitschko laid waste to around 40 opponents. Most of them in the early rounds, many of them in the 1st round.

He was spotted by Steward in these very early days and already declared..

To have the best right hand he had ever seen in boxing.

To be the heir apparent to the HW throne

Steward knew what he was looking at. You know **** all!

I wish I had a demographic on you guys. You must be 60 odd and lived through Soviet oppression not to see that like or hate this guy he would have levelled any of your favourites with mostly a single punch!

[kiDynamite92]

Ali was smashed from pillar to post in nearly all of his fights.

Oh really? Please do tell me about these fights. The Foreman fight you could say that, although that was his strategy and his fights against Berbrick and Holmes definately but he was basically retired then. What other fights are you talking about?

[kiDynamite92]

Ali was faster and more mobile in the 60's that's true. He was longer than all of his opponents and this enabled him to run all night, land on opponents and escape danger much by staying out of range.

Maybe you should watch his fights against Liston, his reach is the same as Wlads or Ernie Terell who's the same height and in that fight he looked even more untouchable, against someone taller. He was able to use his quick feet, in and out boxing to completely dazzle his bigger foe. Comapare that to Wlad who jabs, runs and grabs his much smaller foes. The one time he looked really offensive was against someone bigger in Marius Wach.

[kiDynamite92]

Young Clay/Ali still had no reflexes at all and was still hit by even the slowest of punches as soon as he was in range.

In many of his so called prime fights, he was pasted often enough by some of the lightest, shortest and most bummy boxers ever assembled.

"Prime" Ali never fought a decent opponent.

"Prime" Ali who could run all night and was very fast (he WAS fast) barely weighed 200lbs and was inexperienced. He also had zero experience against very hard punchers or guys much over 200 lbs.

Young Clay was untouchable and would have boxed rings around anyone of today. He had great Victories against Liston, Ernie Terrell, Cleveland Williams, Floyd Patterson. Maybe you should watch some of his fight before commenting. He would have mad fools out of any boxer of today but while we're talking about oppenents, do tell me about the great fighters Wlad beat?

[kiDynamite92]

Wladimir has fought the most diverse range of styles of opponents of all time and conquered every one of them.

His "style" is to completely shut down the style of the opponent by punishing every move they make until they are paralysed and can't move anymore, charmed like a rattlesnake, ready to be knocked out.

Foreman HAD no style. He just swung for the hills. That only works if your opponents are unskilled and weak.

Frazier had no style. He just came forward and tried to maul. That only works if your opponents are unskilled and weak.

Wlads style is to jab and grab the whole night and wait until they're tired from the holding and go in and go all out. Sometimes it doesn't work eg Brewster, Purrity and he ends up getting KO'd. This only works on fighters who are slow, unskilled, weak punchers and have no movement.

Ali fought every style and he destroyed them all.

[kiDynamite92]

I give experienced, 260lb George LESS punchers chance than I do young George against Wladimri (because he was even slower than young Geroge and too slow to land anything on him) BUT I give old George better chances to SURVIVE against Wladimir because he fought smarter, didn't gas and was more defensive. He was also extremely strength trained in the 90's and Wladimir would not be able to successfully lean on him. Geroge would shove him off as he did Morrison! Old George was stronger than young. Fact.

He was stronger in terms of strength but that doesn't translate over to punching powers otherwise strongmen would be wrecking boxers. Either way, I'd have either Foreman KO'ing Wlad.

[kiDynamite92]

Vitali retired vs Byrd due to a pre-existing shoulder injury, extremely painful. He won nearly every round!

He was made to look terrible in that fight, Byrd was so illusive the Vitali damaged his shoulder trying to hit him. Same thing happened against Chisora who has that illusive bob and weave style like a frazier. He refused to rematch him and got his brother to fight for him, Chris Byrd a natural middleweight! Byrd called him out how many times and called him a joke! A middleweight calling a 250lb man a joke!