Frazier vs klitschko

[Run]

What is it with Klitschko fans pretending Sam Peter was good? You realize he's the absolute last fighter you want to prop up as an example of the evolved, too big athlete, right? He got his ass whipped by obese super middleweight James Toney.

I used Peter as a raw power gauge. No more.

He claims: "The second Frazier taps his chin it's lights out"

Nobody will dispute (unless you're delusional and stuck in the past era) That Sam Peter was one of the hardest raw punchers most people have seen in memory.

Not talking about technique, style, efficiency, nothing else except raw power. He clocked Wlad and didn't knock him out with 1 punch.

The same f.ucking Klitschko haters are like a broken record playing troll screams.

Nothing but "weak chin easy ko" for ANYONE WLAD FIGHTS



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[bojangles1987]

I used Peter as a raw power gauge. No more.

He claims: "The second Frazier taps his chin it's lights out"

Nobody will dispute (unless you're delusional and stuck in the past era) That Sam Peter was one of the hardest raw punchers most people have seen in memory.

Not talking about technique, style, efficiency, nothing else except raw power. He clocked Wlad and didn't knock him out with 1 punch.

The same f.ucking Klitschko haters are like a broken record playing troll screams.

Nothing but "weak chin easy ko" for ANYONE WLAD FIGHTS

That's perfectly reasonable. I'm talking the people who always bring up Sam Peter when talking Frazier and Foreman, and claim he's as good or better than both.

Weak chins are always exaggerated for every world class fighter ever. No world class fighter's chin is "OMG the second they get touched it's over," weak. They would never be a champion if it was that bad.

[Run]

That's perfectly reasonable. I'm talking the people who always bring up Sam Peter when talking Frazier and Foreman, and claim he's as good or better than both.

And that is absolutely ridiculous.

Some of the fanboys will type anything to get a rise. Foreman and Frazier were leagues above him in class.



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[Elroy1]

What is it with Klitschko fans pretending Sam Peter was good? You realize he's the absolute last fighter you want to prop up as an example of the evolved, too big athlete, right? He got his ass whipped by obese super middleweight James Toney.

James Toney was clearly NOT a super-middleweight when he fought PEter, and he himself is an example of how body fat is not always a detriment to boxing performance per se, it's HW boxing, not modelling. As long as you can perform well at that weight, then the weight is good!

If I remember correctly, Peter was also out of shape for those fights wasn't he?

Now Peter vs Toney was a match that pitted skill (Toney) against brawn (Peter).

Nobody is denying Toney is a more skilled boxer than PEter. But Peter by far is the more dangerous opponent than Toney!

More the point Toney did NOT beat Peter. Peter beat Toney TWICE!

Samuel Peter is a "SUPER FRAZIER" OR a "SUPER SHAVERS", whom certain old timers get lots of credit for beating, but you don't want to credit WK for doing so against a ten times better version? Come on!

[Ray Corso]

The Klitz brought Peters in like 4 times to loose. The set up was bought buy their fans because Peters was the perfect looking guy. A big chested black man who the Klitz fans were intimidated by!!! hahaha!!!! The guy was ordinary at best and another rube who stood in front and did nothing!
Same senerio over and over another guy who doesn't try to win. Get paid be safe go home!!

Foreman KO's Peters extremely quickly! Frazier doesn't get hit by him and Joe
chops him down in 3 or 4 rounds!

Who did peters ever beat?
Ray.

[Elroy1]

The Klitz brought Peters in like 4 times to loose. The set up was bought buy their fans because Peters was the perfect looking guy. A big chested black man who the Klitz fans were intimidated by!!! hahaha!!!! The guy was ordinary at best and another rube who stood in front and did nothing!
Same senerio over and over another guy who doesn't try to win. Get paid be safe go home!!

Foreman KO's Peters extremely quickly! Frazier doesn't get hit by him and Joe
chops him down in 3 or 4 rounds!

Who did peters ever beat?
Ray.

Samuel Peter came up with a solid pedigree, he fought opponents whom you don't know the names of.

A quick analysis of his beaten opponents makes it clear that Peter fought more dangerous and better opponents than Frazier OR Foreman (prime Foreman).

If Samuel Peter would never have been allowed to pad his record against such weak opponents as Frazier and Foreman, if he was, he'd knock every single one of them out. Obviously!

Take Frazier, pump him full of steroids, make him triple as strong, give him a much harder punch, a much harder chin, give him 2ce the experience against real HW opponents and THERE'S your Samuel Peter.

George Foreman ducked Earnie Shavers, a very poor mans Sam Peter with a much weaker punch, half the strength and a glass jaw by comparison and far worse skills. What makes you think he'd be brave against Peter?

Samuel Peter would be the biggest, strongest, most powerful and hardest chinned boxer either Foreman or Frazier had ever faced and with the most real 200+ HW experience of all of them.

He would immediately knock Frazier straight out cold.

He and Foreman might have a good fight tbh. I would definitely tip Peter to win.

If the K-bros brought Peter in to lose, why is it then that in one of those fights, Wladimir was caught by big punches 3 times knocking him down? Could it be that Peter was a dangerous opponent and that the K-bros should be credited for beating such a dangerous one?

According to you, Wladimir crumbles under pressure and his chin is susceptible to hard punches.

So why would you discredit an opponent like Peter who applies constant pressure and has one of the hardest punches?

[Run]

Samuel Peter came up with a solid pedigree, he fought opponents whom you don't know the names of.

A quick analysis of his beaten opponents makes it clear that Peter fought more dangerous and better opponents than Frazier OR Foreman (prime Foreman).

If Samuel Peter would never have been allowed to pad his record against such weak opponents as Frazier and Foreman, if he was, he'd knock every single one of them out. Obviously!

Take Frazier, pump him full of steroids, make him triple as strong, give him a much harder punch, a much harder chin, give him 2ce the experience against real HW opponents and THERE'S your Samuel Peter.

George Foreman ducked Earnie Shavers, a very poor mans Sam Peter with a much weaker punch, half the strength and a glass jaw by comparison and far worse skills. What makes you think he'd be brave against Peter?

Samuel Peter would be the biggest, strongest, most powerful and hardest chinned boxer either Foreman or Frazier had ever faced and with the most real 200+ HW experience of all of them.

He would immediately knock Frazier straight out cold.

He and Foreman might have a good fight tbh. I would definitely tip Peter to win.

If the K-bros brought Peter in to lose, why is it then that in one of those fights, Wladimir was caught by big punches 3 times knocking him down? Could it be that Peter was a dangerous opponent and that the K-bros should be credited for beating such a dangerous one?

According to you, Wladimir crumbles under pressure and his chin is susceptible to hard punches.

So why would you discredit an opponent like Peter who applies constant pressure and has one of the hardest punches?

You're winning the horrible contest. This is just dreadful.



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[Elroy1]

You're winning the horrible contest. This is just dreadful.

Painful to read.

But nevertheless, every word of it true.

[LacedUp]

Sam Peter was so **** all the way through his career from being handled by James Toney, to being smacked around by McCline and to being outboxed by Eddie Chambers and don't get me started on him flat out taking 3 absolute horrendous beatings from the K bros.

The only people who are ever trying to hype him up are 1) people who don't know anything about boxing or 2) people with an agenda.

We know some people in this thread are a combination of the two.

[Boxing Goat]

What is it with Klitschko fans pretending Sam Peter was good? You realize he's the absolute last fighter you want to prop up as an example of the evolved, too big athlete, right? He got his ass whipped by obese super middleweight James Toney.

You do realize he literally outboxed toney twice right?