Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

[Divine Hammer]

i have him in top 5

1. jack dempsey
2. joe louis
3. wladimir klitschko
4. jack johnson
5. muhammad ali

[Chris Bauermeis]

H2H Vladimir beats most guys. His resume is strong too, due to his longevity. He is chasing Joe Louis, who fought 'cans' all the time. It's silly to think that past greats fought great opposition all their career - they didn't at all.

Vlad might not have that signature win you would wish for - a Lennox, a Tyson among his contemporaries, but he has fought many, many quality opponents and taken them apart masterfully. That's why he is among the best of the best, measured against all time.

Lots of quality opponents?

Stop trolling.

That shi.t i saw last last night was not quality anything.

Pulev looked like they pulled him from the seats 15 minutes before the fight,and that goes double for 95% of Vlad's resume.


The guys Vlad is clincing and grabbing can't beat ANYBODY in ANY era.

[Weltschmerz]

Lots of quality opponents?

Stop trolling.

That shi.t i saw last last night was not quality anything.

Pulev looked like they pulled him from the seats 15 minutes before the fight,and that goes double for 95% of Vlad's resume.


The guys Vlad is clincing and grabbing can't beat ANYBODY in ANY era.

Not that I'm going to engage in a debate with an obvious troll Alt like yourself, but you are obviously mistaken. Hopefully Freedom puts you on ignore.

[The Hammer]

Not that I'm going to engage in a debate with an obvious troll Alt like yourself, but you are obviously mistaken. Hopefully Freedom puts you on ignore.

Done......

[SeekDaGreat]

#NoChin. If they ever find a guy that can take and give a punch like past greats, this guy's toast. They ddon't make them like they used to. Foreman-Lyle, go watch that and tell me Klitschko wins that fight being either guy. **** no. Dudes chin would folded ten fold like a 3-man tent!!!

[SeekDaGreat]

Klitschko hasn't been knocked down in nearly ten years, and fought all the best in his division during that time.

The best in his division have been nothing since he started his reign. It's not his fault but it's fact.

[The Hammer]

The best in his division have been nothing since he started his reign. It's not his fault but it's fact.

That's your opinion. You can say that about any fighter in any era, if you don't like him.

[New England]

A chin? against a powder fist....Seriously!

kubrat pulev is 250 lbs, and 6'4" tall. he has good stamina, so we know he trains hard and isn't massively overweight.

he landed some big shots, and was throwing rabbit punches in constancy.

[SeekDaGreat]

That's your opinion. You can say that about any fighter in any era, if you don't like him.

No, you cant. Someone like Ali who beat Frazier Foreman and Liston. Or someone like Holyfield who beat Tyson Bowe and drew with Lewis. And this was pretty much the past prime version of Holyfield.

Or someone like Tyson who fought Holmes, Holyfield, and Lewis.

You're talking about world renowned fighters, that proved their worth amongst each other. Not Euro hype jobs that inflated records in a fringe era


Who has Wlad fought and beat? Chris Byrd?

[Ray Corso]

He's moved up on my list to number #47!!!!
If he could only win when he's matched against someone that brings "even odfds" or at least close odds it would help me move him up!
Problem is he fights guys that "can't fight" I could care less about rankings that crap is all BS these days. When Wlad has stepped up on his record he got defeated!!!! Its as simple as that!

I watched live again the other night, the guy is trying and he's willing but he has little to no talent!!! Watch a fellow Holmes or Evander box!!! Then watch Wlad! Are you kidding me that you can't see a difference?


Theres a reason boxings in the crapper.......Floyd & Wlad are the leading
problems. They fight no one!!!!!!

Old subject, boring as hell. If you can't see what I'm stating you don't understand boxing skills and talent levels!!!
Ray