Pulev is garbage; the HW div. is trash.

[Elroy1]

there was plenty of different nationalities in the 90s and the division was undoubtedly better than it is now. Only a complete nuthugger would disagree.

It's no ****ing different you fool.

Yeah Lennox had to face a lot of tough opponents sure.

But how can you say they were better than what Wladimir has?

IF Wladimir was American he would be lauded as the greatest HW of all time.

If he was British he would be the second coming of Lennox friggin Lewis.

How can it be otherwise, look at these guys! Every single one of them can basically knock out other heathen guys with a single shot.

[Humean]

Aren't people in agreement that Wlad is very good, but most of his opposition simply isn't?

Plenty consider him less than very good. The claims about his opposition is used as evidence that he isn't a great heavyweight, yet if such evidence was used consistently then there would probably be less than 5 great heavyweights.

[Tedkidlewis]

Wladimir Klitschko
Kubrat Pulev
Alexander Povetkin
Bermane Stiverne
Chris Arreola
David Haye
Deontay Wilder
Bryant Jennings
Mike Perez
Tyson Fury
Dereck Chisora
Carlos Takam
Tony Thompson
Anthony Joshua
and more

That is very comparable with the 90's division which was also stacked.

90's
Lennox Lewis
Evader Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Rid**** Bowe
Michael Moorer
George Foreman
Tommy Morrison
Ray Mercer
Oliver McCall
Tim Witherspoon
Frank Bruno
Razor Ruddock
Shannon Briggs
Toney Tucker
Andrew Golota
and that's just off the top of my head

[LacedUp]

It's no ****ing different you fool.

Yeah Lennox had to face a lot of tough opponents sure.

But how can you say they were better than what Wladimir has?

IF Wladimir was American he would be lauded as the greatest HW of all time.

If he was British he would be the second coming of Lennox friggin Lewis.

How can it be otherwise, look at these guys! Every single one of them can basically knock out other heathen guys with a single shot.

Because they were better? Better footwork, threw more punches, better defence, headmovement, better jabs, more fights against top opposition.

I don't have to be a scientist or even particularly smart to see that one fighter is better than another. How can you say Wladimir Klitschko is better than Floyd Patterson? They never fought. Because you can see how has more skills, power etc.

None of that last is true.

Plenty consider him less than very good. The claims about his opposition is used as evidence that he isn't a great heavyweight, yet if such evidence was used consistently then there would probably be less than 5 great heavyweights.

I haven't heard that, I think most agree he'd be a contender in any era. I just can't see how he's as talented as Muhammad Ali or Lennox Lewis when he doesn't show it in the ring? He's a safety first fighter who gets buzzed by jabs from heavyweights than honestly aren't that good.

Someone like Elroy would tell you he's the greatest heavyweight of all times. That's laughable to me.

[GoldenGloveLove]

People who don't understand boxing cannot tell the difference between someone making the opponent look like trash and the opponent actually bein trash. That's a fact of life in this sport. Mayweather/Guerrero, Klitschko/Pulev, Hopkins/Pavlik, Kovalev/Campillo, it all amounts to the same thing.

[LacedUp]

Wladimir Klitschko
Kubrat Pulev
Alexander Povetkin
Bermane Stiverne
Chris Arreola
David Haye
Deontay Wilder
Bryant Jennings
Mike Perez
Tyson Fury
Dereck Chisora
Carlos Takam
Tony Thompson
Anthony Joshua
and more

That is very comparable with the 90's division which was also stacked.

Lol no it's not, and Wlad has only fought 4 of these guys.

[Foreign Soil]

there was plenty of different nationalities in the 90s and the division was undoubtedly better than it is now. Only a complete nuthugger would disagree.

Uk/American nuthuggers like to play up how good the 90s was when it simply wasn't the case. The main difference is that the names were bigger, you had your faded greats like Holmes, Foreman which helped propel the next big names, something that stopped happening when the Klitschkos took over. The decade of dominance has wiped out the possibility of making a name for yourself on the Klitschkos' backs.

[LacedUp]

People who don't understand boxing cannot tell the difference between someone making the opponent look like trash and the opponent actually bein trash. That's a fact of life in this sport. Mayweather/Guerrero, Klitschko/Pulev, Hopkins/Pavlik, Kovalev/Campillo, it all amounts to the same thing.

Explain to me mr genius, how you can be defined as "knowing boxing"?

When a guy like Tony Thompson has a 42% hit rate on you, I think it's fair to say his defence is not very good.

[LacedUp]

Uk/American nuthuggers like to play up how good the 90s was when it simply wasn't the case. The main difference is that the names were bigger, you had your faded greats like Holmes, Foreman which helped propel the next big names, something that stopped happening when the Klitschkos took over. The decade of dominance has wiped out the possibility of making a name for yourself on the Klitschkos' backs.

Well I can understand from a boxing fan who only started following the sport last year, that it could seem so.

I don't blame you son. You'll learn in time.

[Elroy1]

90's
Lennox Lewis
Evader Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Rid**** Bowe
Michael Moorer
George Foreman
Tommy Morrison
Ray Mercer
Oliver McCall
Tim Witherspoon
Frank Bruno
Razor Ruddock
Shannon Briggs
Toney Tucker
Andrew Golota
and that's just off the top of my head

Yeah that was a great era.

Notice you took an entire decade of boxers there though whilst I only listed currently active fighters?

So to my list you can add in Samuel Peter, Chris Byrd, Eddie Chambers, Sultan Ibragimov, Ruslan Chagaev etc etc etc.

Wlad also fought Rahman & Mercer etc.

You can also include Vitali Klitschko and all his WK era opponents now too, since you included opponents like Moorer and Bowe which Lenny didn't fight so they are relevant by your standards too.

You see?

The 90's, 00's and 10's are closely level in quality.

And just for example, Moorer, who beat Holyfield, who could he really beat from my loriginal list?

I'd say nobody!