Comments Thread For: Carl Froch: Damn Right I'm Ready To Retire!

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Here's a list at some of the top SMW's in Froch's era....



Kessler
Bika
Abraham
Taylor
Pascal
Bute
Dirrell


Dirrell is a good boxer, but he hadn't accomplished anything in the sport when he fought Froch (just like when people say that about GGG/Kovalev)

Pascal is a solid fighter. Bute is skilled but has a glass chin. (just look how Froch attacked him like a wild madman swinging for the fences)


So you have Kessler (OVERRATED) Abraham, the corpse of Jermain Taylor, and Sakio Bika. Taylor is irrelevant... and Froch struggled with him.


Kessler is in the same boat as Froch, not quite the plodder but overrated as hell due to his weak era. Abraham- slow plodder with no skills. Bika- slow plodder with no skills (I know Bika didn't fight Froch)

And then you have Froch going life an death with the living corpse of Glen Johnson.... Come on.



Froch has no skills. He's a tough guy. That's it. You can't tell me what he does well.......

How do you reconcile this critique with calling Martin Murray one of the most complete fighters in the world?

We get it dude. You're riding that Easter Euro **** HARD at the moment.

People are critical of Golovkin because he has one of the worst resumes for a top fighter in the sport so you're trying to compensate by trashing a guy with one of the best resumes in the sport.

I hope I'm not the only one who sees what your game is. No one should take you seriously.

[dan_cov]

Groves, Dirrell, Ward, Bute = All plodders with no skill.

Stop nitpicking, you can do this with any fighter in histories resume.
He medalled at the worlds, has won 3 world titles with wins over Groves x2, Johnson, Dirrell, Bute, Abraham, Kessler, Taylor, Pascal.
Unskilled fighters don't achieve that or have resumes anywhere near that.

Hes fought everyone in his era and won avenging a defeat the only fighter he hasn't avenged a loss to is Ward.

Hes not the most skilled fighter ever or the best coordinated but the man can fight and hes better technically than he gets credit for. Just because he isn't textbook doesn't mean he can't box.

[IMDAZED]

I forgot he beat Pascal. Another face first plodder.

[King_]

When you say overrated what do you mean. Explain how Kessler was overrated.

Well for one- his best win is Carl Froch. Enough said. Like I said before.... most of these guys were considered top fighters, sure, but mainly because they all just fought each other. But no one really sits and thinks "What makes them good?"


Mikkel Kessler just screams average fighter. He's got good footwork and OKAY boxing ability. He's got decent speed but not elite. He's not a plodder but it doesn't matter because he doesn't have elite boxing ability. He lacks power. Has a padded record with KO's of irrelevant guys. He just doesn't do anything exceptionally. His best attribute "skill" wise is probably his footwork.


Average fighter, IMO.... who's most noteworthy thing accomplished in the sport is beating Carl Froch- who like I'm saying is an overrated fighter with no skills who is a product of a bad division (IMO)

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Just to remind everyone, your boy "King_" listed Martin bloody Murray alongside Floyd Mayweather and Guillermo Rigondeaux as the most complete fighters in the sport.

Let that sink in.

[IMDAZED]

Well for one- his best win is Carl Froch. Enough said. Like I said before.... most of these guys were considered top fighters, sure, but mainly because they all just fought each other. But no one really sits and thinks "What makes them good?"


Mikkel Kessler just screams average fighter. He's got good footwork and OKAY boxing ability. He's got decent speed but not elite. He's not a plodder but it doesn't matter because he doesn't have elite boxing ability. He lacks power. Has a padded record with KO's of irrelevant guys. He just doesn't do anything exceptionally. His best attribute "skill" wise is probably his footwork.


Average fighter, IMO.... who's most noteworthy thing accomplished in the sport is beating Carl Froch- who like I'm saying is an overrated fighter with no skills who is a product of a bad division (IMO)

You said Kessler was "overrated." By whom? As in, where was he rated and where should he have been rated?

[King_]

How do you reconcile this critique with calling Martin Murray one of the most complete fighters in the world?

We get it dude. You're riding that Easter Euro **** HARD at the moment.

People are critical of Golovkin because he has one of the worst resumes for a top fighter in the sport so you're trying to compensate by trashing a guy with one of the best resumes in the sport.

I hope I'm not the only one who sees what your game is. No one should take you seriously.

Wtf are you talking about?


I agree Froch has a great resume. He beat the best his division has to offer.... I never disagreed with that.

Groves, Dirrell, Ward, Bute = All plodders with no skill.

Stop nitpicking, you can do this with any fighter in histories resume.
He medalled at the worlds, has won 3 world titles with wins over Groves x2, Johnson, Dirrell, Bute, Abraham, Kessler, Taylor, Pascal.
Unskilled fighters don't achieve that or have resumes anywhere near that.

Hes fought everyone in his era and won avenging a defeat the only fighter he hasn't avenged a loss to is Ward.

Hes not the most skilled fighter ever or the best coordinated but the man can fight and hes better technically than he gets credit for. Just because he isn't textbook doesn't mean he can't box.

To each his own. I don't know why you guys are getting upset.... you're all admitting what I'm saying- Carl Froch doesn't have many skills. He's a tough guy who fought everyone the division has to offer. But it was a criminally overrated division and maybe 3 of his wins were against actual good fighters.

I forgot he beat Pascal. Another face first plodder.

I already addressed that. Pascal is good

[IMDAZED]

I already addressed that. Pascal is good

Just goes to show he's faced a variety of styles and been highly successful.

[IronDanHamza]

Just to remind everyone, your boy "King_" listed Martin bloody Murray alongside Floyd Mayweather and Guillermo Rigondeaux as the most complete fighters in the sport.

Let that sink in.

Did he actually say this?

[King_]

You said Kessler was "overrated." By whom? As in, where was he rated and where should he have been rated?

He was rated as a top SMW. By everyone and by rankings.


What I'm saying is that's why all these wins by these guys are so "great." Cause they were against top fighters. But no one ever thought about what these fighters did well and if they were actually special fighters.


They all fought each other and made it to the top of the division- but Kessler, for example has no notable wins besides Carl Froch.


He's not a special fighter. The guys I'm talking about aren't special fighters and were fortunate to be in a terrible divison.


That is what I am saying.